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Waitress tipping - Not like cow tipping! 
 
Aug. 11, 2010 11:09 am 
Updated: Aug. 15, 2010 12:10 pm
My daughter just turned 15 and started waitressing at the local greasy spoon.  Is it just me or does it seem like people don't tip like they used to?  She only makes $3.00 an hour so she needs tips to make up the rest and hardly anyone tips her!  She's friendly and she even waited on a whole table of farmers for  seed corn meeting so you would of thought they would have tipped well since the seed company paid for the dinner but she got $1.00.  We always tip well - never anything less than five dollars.  Even the neighbors aren't tipping.  I don't know if its the economy or people's character.  I told her to keep her chin up, because it's such a good experience to work with the public.  Anyways I'll get off my soapbox for now!!
 
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Aug. 11, 2010 11:31 am
I'm so sorry. My husband and I always tip generously but I have seen people that don't leave anything before. I'm sure the economy isn't helping things but we make sure to only go out when we can afford it tip and all.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 11:43 am
People should be tipping 20% of their bill for good service, even more if the service is great. I don't believe in tipping less if the service is a little bit poorer than should be expected, chances are the waitress has a lot of tables and would love to and wants to give each table more attention. I work in a nice restaurant and one server had a bill of $1400 dollars. The tip should have been about $280, but no it was $0. Tell your daughter to not take it personally, sadly, it's just a part of the business.
 
LCook 
Aug. 11, 2010 11:52 am
I can sympathize. My first job at 16 was as a waitress. It sure changed my perspective of the job. I'll pretty much eat anything put in front of me now. Some people are just so self-centered and entitled they don't even pay attention to their server. They demand good service but they're not willing to pay for it. I always leave a good tip. I remember being that 16 year old girl.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 11:56 am
i tip too much, but the wife doesn't say anything about it. all my family when we were younger worked at restaurants and now tip very well. i firmly believe that if can afford to eat out you tip very well ...it's a part of eating out. for great service i usually tip at least 25%. if i go to a bar with a buddy, we will put 20 bucks on the table, ask for change for the twenty and tell the waitress don't let us get dry. they understand.
 
faye 
Aug. 11, 2010 12:43 pm
i am shocked, here in alberta(canada) our min wage is $8.80 per hr. I always beleive if you can afford to go out you can afford to tip, tell her it is a good experience, some people just don't realize what a hard job it is
 
Aug. 11, 2010 1:08 pm
faye, your taxes paid is much higher than ours as well. I own a bakery and small restaurant, and tipping is dependant on the type of restaurant. In greasy spoons, dont expect generous tippers. In higher class establishments, expect 15-20%. Just because your daughter is friendly, doesn't make her a good waitress either. I'm sure she is, but I had a waiter in my restaurant who was very outgoing and fun.. but he never could figure out why he wasn't getting better tips. That's because he paid little attention to detail and lacked the finesse that my clientele liked. Nice guy, bad waiter. I'm sure too that they see your daughters age and they take advantage of that. That's a life lesson I'm afraid. It's good for her to know that not everything is easy in life and if it's that unfair, she should find another job.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 1:11 pm
I agree Suzie, they are the good ol boys and the locals and they probably have forgotten that these kids work for tips. Most likely they are pretty tight with a dollar and don't feel they need to tip fairly. There's no answer here other than she should find another job that pays better. Imagine doing this for years and years! I worked in a Truck Stop cafe when I was in High School. I made nice tips, but my clientele were all flirty truck drivers who tried to woo me.. hehehe. It didn't take me long to figure out a little flirting paid big dividends! LOL
 
Aug. 11, 2010 1:13 pm
If she worked banquets or dinner services in a nicer restaurant, she'll make much better tips. This gives her good experience to get a better paying job. Tell her to hang in there!
 
Aug. 11, 2010 1:28 pm
I am always amazed at how little some people leave for a tip! We always leave at least 20%, and sometimes it's far more than that. Like everyone else here has said - that's part of the cost of eating out! We've actually been to restaurants with friends where their bill is $75 or more and they'll leave $2! Once I said something and I was told they leave $1 per person - after all, the work is no different for the waitress if their entree was $5 or $100. Unbelievable! We also like to leave the tip in cash, not on the credit card.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 2:06 pm
I agree this will be good experience. My daughter works at Fridays. Her hourly pay is 1.87 per hour. Tipping is down. I try to always tip at least 20%.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 3:06 pm
I am hoping she will get enough experience working at this small place that she will be able to go to a bigger establishment and really know what to do and will pay off better. But for a first time job she'll take it. And it's only a mile from home. :)
 
Alex 
Aug. 11, 2010 4:47 pm
faye, minimum wage is different if you work in the food service industry. In Ontario minimum wage is $10.25, if you work at like Canadian Tire or Walmart or as a receptionist or whatever, but not if you're a waiter or bartender or similar, because it's expected that you'll make up the difference in tips.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 5:40 pm
My DD worked in a rest/bar while in college. She needed every cent to make ends meet and they only made minimum wage. Not everyone tipped but worse then that was when a bunch of college age kids would rack up a bill and take off leaving without paying the bill. She would then be responsible for taking their tab out of her nightly money. It only happened a few times but sure made her work harder in school so she didn't end up working there the rest of her life. It's not an easy job!
 
Aug. 11, 2010 6:07 pm
My own rule for tipping regardless of where I eat is, if the waitress keeps our table policed and makes sure we are comfortable and not wanting anything, I'll go 20% and round up to the next dollar. Plus, I add $1.00 for each time she makes a trip at our request. If the waitress is so-so I tip 15% flat. At a lunch counter I leave 10%.
 
Aug. 11, 2010 7:32 pm
There are some countries that discourage tipping - and you notice it! When I lived in Australia, tipping was not the norm. I had a hard time with this, until I learned that waiters and waitresses made above $15/hour. However, the service was appalling much of the time. There is merit to working for tips! I have no problem giving 10% if I've had bad service - it has to be bad and I will say something to the waiter to explain my "cheapness". Hopefully they are smart enough to connect the dots. Good service, good tips.
 
Rae 
Aug. 11, 2010 9:43 pm
It always amazes me to hear about people not tipping well. I always leave a 20% tip at the very least. My cousin was telling me about pizza tips, he's a delivery driver, and I was shocked that people don't usually tip. Weird. I did find out that I'm a great pizza tipper lol! I guess it depends on how you were raised, maybe. I know tipping was always important when we were growing up, my whole family tips about the same. Except for the males in our family. They tip EXTREMELY well. I've always wanted to be the waitress when they're tipping.
 
Lace 
Aug. 12, 2010 4:22 am
Everyone knows that waitpersons make very little hourly pay. The "good ole boys" are just downright cheap! I hope your daughter doesn't take it personally, because at her young age it would be hard not to be disappointed and wonder if it's something unique to her. I hope she'll change where she works a.s.a.p. Good luck to her!!
 
Aug. 12, 2010 7:47 am
I come from a family of service people. When I was growing up, my mom would wait tables and tend bar, and all of our household expenses were paid from tips. My sister was s single mom forever, and raised three kids on tips. I don't think people realize that they are dependent on that money to eat and to feed their families. My husband calls me the "tipping Nazi" because on the rare occasion that we do eat out, I make sure everyone tips appropriately, even when the service isn't stellar. These days restaurants are short staffed to save money, and that makes things even harder on the waitstaff. My theory is that if you have money to eat out, you have money to tip! If you can't afford to do both, STAY HOME!
 
Skoo 
Aug. 13, 2010 11:24 am
We always double the tax for our tip, which makes it about 16%, sometimes we do more if the waitress is super helpful. I do have to say, though I usually don't factor it in my head when I'm on my way to eat, so I usually feel like I spend more than I intended. My fault though!
 
chiquita 
Aug. 13, 2010 11:37 am
I know exactly what you mean! I work at a pricey catering hall in New York and there are nights when I receive no tips at all. Sometimes I work two or three tables of 10-15 people and I will receive no tip, even though I serve drinks and food all night. Even though they are not paying the bill, people should appreciate that we get paid very little for long hours.
 
Janpie 
Aug. 13, 2010 12:00 pm
I am usually an over-tipper but it still annoys me that we the public are basically paying their salary by tipping. We already pay for the meal, I don't think we should have to pay for their wage also. And I feel that way about everyone that gets tips for their jobs. Let the boss/company pay a decent wage to begin with. This comment isn't meant to offend anyone..just my little ol' opinion :)
 
Skuba 
Aug. 13, 2010 12:15 pm
The seed company while I find it hard to beleave since it is a private company may have a policy against using company funds for tips, that doesn't mean that the people sitting there couldn't have put down a dollar or two each. The second thing is, is she sure that they are not putting it on their credit card? I had a friend that waitressed and anyone who put their tip on a credit card she didn't get it until the following month. I tip cash when ever possible.
 
Jena 
Aug. 13, 2010 12:29 pm
Ahhh, your poor daughter! That's heartbreaking, I bet she's working her little heart out. I think I tip better now with the economy so bad than I did before. And maybe I'm mellowing in my old age but when I have lousey service I still tip generously. I just think the poor wait person probably has something bothering them or something going on in their own life...my husband gets mad and says "they still could be friendly"
 
Aug. 13, 2010 12:34 pm
My daughter in laws mom works at cracker barrell. she said some people that are regular coustomers tip well for as just travlers no tip....
 
Aug. 13, 2010 1:24 pm
Wow, that's incredible, I didn't know they were paid so little for waiting tables. I always tip 15%. I thought that was what it was supposed to be. I think I've seen shows about it saying that, but that was a little while ago. I tip better if money isn't tight aswell, when our income is up, I feel that others locally around me should profit aswell.
 
Keri 
Aug. 13, 2010 1:26 pm
I do the same as Skoo - double the tax to figure out the tip. That ends up being almost 20%. HOWEVER, if the service sucks, I leave a much smaller tip and occasionally no tip at all. I do have to say that it REALLY bugs me some of the places that expect tips nowadays. Even the temporary shaved ice shack in my town has a tip jar on the shelf outside their walk-up window!! What the heck is up with that? I do have to say that I disagree with faye on one point: Not everyone who can afford to go out can also afford to tip. Occasionally I scrounge my last few dollars and coins so I can take my kids out for a meal (we don't get to eat out very often at all...maybe once every three months) and sometimes the amount of money I'm able to scrape up is barely enough for our food...with WATER to drink. When that happens, though, I try to request very little special attention from our waiter/waitress and I explain to them up front that I am very, very sorry, but I can't afford to leave them a tip.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 1:28 pm
I worked my way through college and also paid off my college loans while waiting tables. At that time, in Washington state, we made the state minimum wage. Shortly after I moved on, the feds started allowing restaurants to pay a "tip credit" wage which was far below state minimum wage. I also don't think many people realize that servers (nation wide) have to declare tips of at least 8% of their individual sales. Not to politicize, but that came about during the Reagan administration. Guess the IRS had to get their hands in the wealthy pockets of servers LOL I am a 20% unless there has been extraordinary service. I have noticed a trend in our area where the service has gotten worse, in general. A server explained to me, that they are not only getting poorer tips, they have cut back so drastically that they don't have enough servers and the servers that are left have to scramble for any and all hours. Not to mention that they have cut back on the cooks, so things get behind. SAD! My fav. tipping or I should say non-tipping story occurred when I waited on a group of about 20 folks from a local church group. Their bill came to about $1200. We had no minimum service charge for a large group. I absolutely busted my buns for them and at the end they honored me with praise to my boss and a prayer card. No money.....I guess we were supposed to pray for someone else to give me money. My boss felt so bad, that he gave me a $100 bill in my pay envelope. Wow, that was beyond sweet. I am such a stickler that once I find out that a friend does not tip or tips very poorly, I will no longer eat out with them. I have had to overtip to make up for them far too many times. Good luck to your daughter. This will be a great experience in human behaviors and she will be a great tipper for life:)
 
Keri 
Aug. 13, 2010 1:33 pm
@mauigirl - Most restaurants in my area have a rule that large groups are automatically charged a 17% gratuity, even if each person pays for their own check. That would have been an amazing tip for you on that $1200 bill!! At least your boss gave a darn. You're right...that was an amazingly sweet thing for him to do.
 
princessvanessa 
Aug. 13, 2010 1:35 pm
I dine out, alone, at least once a week. My bill is usually $9 to $16. I always leave a $5 tip. If I am treating a friend to a meal, I leave a minimum of 30%. I never talk down to servers and always say please and thank you. I want to dispel the idea that a woman, dining alone, doesn't leave a good tip. At the local cafe the servers recognize me, know that I am good for $5, and I get such friendly, good service. I am lucky enough to have a good paying job and think I should pass on some of that good fortune. Thank you to all the hard working food servers out there!!
 
Aug. 13, 2010 1:51 pm
Maybe off topic but I live in South Korea. They DON'T TIP here. In fact, if you leave money on the table, they will run after you to make sure you get the money "you forgot". 80-90% of the restaurants are "owner operated". A tip for them is to see you come back again, with new/different friends and to have those friends come back without you. Your server will take a tip (reluctantly) if you push it into their apron pocket or when paying the bill. Realize it is very often a family member...
 
Aug. 13, 2010 2:30 pm
I always tip at least 20%, unless the service is really bad. My belief has always been that if I can't tip the server adequately, then I should not be eating out. I hoope your daughter does not become discouraged, and continues to be positive about her customers.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 2:34 pm
This subject is near and dear to my heart. I waited tables throughout my college years - worked grave yard. It paid my way through college. I learned a great deal through those years and the most valuable lesson was an appreciation of the wait staff. I tip well - take the total bill including tax - round up to the nearest tens place and calculate 20%. ($26.80 becomes $30. = $6. tip) There is a couple we know who are cheap, cheap, cheap - I won't dine out with them any more. She always finds fault with the service or the food and always cheats on their portion of the tip. In fact, once we left a generous tip (cash) they put in their measly portion. As we were leaving the table Mr. Cheap decided that the tip was too big and picked up a handful of cash and shoved it in his pocket! Needless to say - we don't dine with them any more. Good luck to your daughter - these are life's lessons.
 
Laurie 
Aug. 13, 2010 2:59 pm
When I started dating my SO he never tipped and it drove me nuts. I always tip and I always tip at least 15%. I had a friend whose mother had Lupus. She had to work to help make ends meet and had a few walk outs and people decide they just didn't feel like tipping.
 
Tequila D 
Aug. 13, 2010 3:30 pm
My wife and I are generally big tippers as well, our son worked at a local chain restaraunt and we were appalled at what he brought home for tips. At one of our local sushi hangouts we recently missed one of our regular chefs.. when we saw him again we asked him if he missed us.. He laughingly replied.. "I missed your tips" =)
 
b-ham 
Aug. 13, 2010 4:07 pm
This is a subject that is in my thoughts daily being a server myself at a large restaurant chain. Many commenting on here have got it right, doubling the tax (16% ish) can certainly be a fair tip for standard service. For the service that I believe I provide or try to provide, I feel 20% is more appropriate. I also agree that there are establishments and services that expect tips that may not necessarily deserve it. I will say though, to Keri mainly, that you do not do the same as Skoo. It sounds as though Skoo recognizes that any service at all is worthy of some compensation. I feel that service would have to be pretty terrible to warrant a zero dollar tip. These are the customers I dread waiting on. The idea that those who can afford to eat out can afford to tip should not even be an issue. A large part of the dinning out experience is the luxury of someone serving you. Considering my $2.60 an hour pay, when I serve you anything for dinner and do so in a respectful and sincere way and you do not tip me you are a thief. Tipping should always be considered when eating out. If you would like to have the convenience of someone else cooking a meal for you but do not wish to pay for someone serving it to you there are many establishments that provide such service. All things considered if you truly have poor service and are insulted by your server do his/her attitude laziness, etc. the best thing you can do is to inform their manager. A poor tip simply fuels the fire that is the guest/employee relationship (and it is a frustrating and tragic one). Without feedback, a poor tip means nothing. All in all, not tipping, to me, means stealing my service and with the money the government assumes I made off of you, I actually end up paying for you. 15% is fair service and for quality service %20 IS expected by not only me but the hundreds of coworkers I have worked with in the 5 restaurants I have been part of. I think both sides need to be more considerate of each other.
 
Adam 
Aug. 13, 2010 4:25 pm
The problem with posing a question like that is none of the cheapskates are gonna pipe up in the comments. Yes, there are a lot of CHEAP people out there, many friends of mine included. Some will spend the entire dinner trying to nit-pick little things to use as an excuse to not tip what they should. The constant complaining also has the added effect of ruining the rest of the table's meal.
 
waldensmama 
Aug. 13, 2010 4:37 pm
Man, that's terrible! I live in Oregon and waitressing here pays pretty dang good. The minimum wage is 8.70 and everyone here tipes at least 20%....everyone that I've ever been in contact with! More people need to apppreciate people who work in the service industry where you live. Hope she doesn't geet discouraged and quit. I'll make sure to tip extra nice when I'm in the mid-west :)
 
Vancouver mom 
Aug. 13, 2010 4:50 pm
In British Columbia the minimum wage is $8.00. Most people tip 15-20%. I will leave zero to 10% tip if I get rude or horrible service, a tip is not gaurenteed. But if I get decent service I will tip pretty well. That is unfortunate that where you live the people dont really know what is expected of them. I would encourage her to work elsewhere.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 5:00 pm
My husband and I tip according to service and the waitress/waiters attitude. If they are friendly, smile and come back to check on us... they'll get a great tip. If they look bored, disinterested, or don't come back to check on drinks at least, they will get a so so tip. If they flirt with my husband, they get NO tip. Yes, it's happened before. Did she think I didn't notice? :)
 
Mich 
Aug. 13, 2010 5:23 pm
I will generally sneak a tip onto the table as much as I can afford just to be nice because I don't get to eat out unless someone else pays. Unfortunately that someone else is almost always my parents who never tip. I'm not sure why but they don't even consider that it is necessary. They are in their mid 70's though. My ex would rarely tip either but usually it was because we got horrible service. We were out on a date for our anniversary once and he had the waitress slip her phone number into his pocket right in front of me. While he was good looking and overly nice, he would not tip if our waitress visited too often or flirted in an inappropriate way. Thank goodness we rarely ate out due to his severe food allergies.
 
Little Fish 
Aug. 13, 2010 6:05 pm
It's been a few years since I was waitressing but as others have commented I certainly noticed a wide variety in attitudes to tipping. At the end of my shift I always "tipped out" a percentage of my sales for the back of house staff. When somebody didn't leave me a tip I was in effect paying for the priviledge of serving the cheap so and sos because tip out was mandatory! As for the point that some object to being obliged to making up the meagre wages of wait staff it's worth remembering that your meal would have cost more if the business paid a more respectable wage.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 7:57 pm
Our local Dunkin Donuts has a tip cup taped to the drive thru window..... ?????
 
Aug. 13, 2010 8:46 pm
I always tip well. I'm a 20% tipper. Occasionally I have gone to an extreme of 40% for exceptional service. There have only been a few times when I didn't tip because of bad service and spoke to the manager after I didn't tip because of how bad they were. Just remember, even if they are giving you bad service... ALWAYS ALWAYS talk to the supervisor to let them know why or else they will assume you’re just cheap. Then if they wait you again and they remember you, chances are the service will be poor.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 8:49 pm
I've never been a server, but my husband worked at two different chains a few years ago...Just from his experience, I learned that serving is a very hard job. For some reason, many people tend to treat "servers" like "servants"...A server is there to serve your meal and ensure that you are taken care of...but they are not people to be demeaned and walked all over...And yes, it happens. I have been dining out and seen people treat servers horribly-yelling at them, cursing at them, insulting them...it's just ridiculous. Now, on the other hand, I have also personally experienced some pretty rotten servers who acted as though they could care less...But regardless as to how well or how bad your service is, at the end of the day, we are all humans with our own lives...Just because you receive poor service, doesn't give you the right to treat someone like ...You never know what's going on with that person...They may have had a loved one pass away, they may have had to come to work instead of being able to stay home with their sick child...I just think we should all treat each other with kindness and respect...That's just my opinion though...What we usually do is we usually double the tax, which for us would be about 19%. If the service is amazing, we will give 25-30%. If the service was so-so, I usually do 15%, if it was awful, I will do 10%. I also think something people should consider when tipping their server is to only hold the server responsible for what they are actually responsible for-it's not the server's fault if the kitchen messes up or if you had to wait just to be seated...I've seen people go off on a server or not leave a tip for something that was absolutely not their fault. And Little Fish is totally right-my husband said that most of the time servers have to pay a percentage of their tip to the bartenders and other back of house staff...And if people skip out on a check, that comes out of the server's pocket as well...My husband said that it wasn't unusual at all for servers to cash out at the end of the night and have to take money out of their own pocket to cover their shift.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 9:15 pm
Taxes here are 12%. So, if we tip 20%, the that's 1/3 of the price of the meal - a pretty hefty percentage.
 
Rhonda 
Aug. 13, 2010 9:37 pm
We tip up to 30% for good service. Esp since my daughter has a special diet which most better restaurants are very accomodating with. We tip nothing for stellarly poor service. (Which we rarely encounter) I worked as a waitress in high school, so I appreciate the service. My question is why are these positions not paid properly in the first place? Many chains and restaurants rely on customers to make up the employees wage rather than paying them fairly. The example above of wait staff having to pay out of their pockets for people having skipped their bill is an excellent example. I think it is still appropriate to have tipping for great service. But everyone should be able to make ends meet by being paid appropriately by their employer.
 
Aug. 13, 2010 9:45 pm
My boyfriend has worked in restaurants and always leaves at least a 20% tip. My grandfather typically leaves a 20% tip as well; however, I recall about a month ago we went out to lunch, and a waitress royally screwed up my order. (There was a lunch and a dinner with the same name, but I pointed to the lunch in the menu, and was obviously confused when she started asking me about side options.) She refused to accept that it was her mistake...even before I had eaten any of it. I think my grandfather only gave her 10%. I tend to tip 15% unless service was amazing. Here's a tip for you (from the boyfriend): If your bill comes with the tip included, ask if it can be removed. Otherwise, you are paying tax on that tip as well. Feel free to give them the original amount, though!
 
Aug. 13, 2010 10:24 pm
I delivered pizzas for 24 years, went through nine cars- two new.I never had at fault accident, no tickets- couldn't afford a ticket. I raised some customers from babies and I listened to all the woes,joys and accomplishments of many people. I did everything,made pizzas answered phones cleaned and delivered. I saw it all, was robbed, beat up shot at and even chased off robbers. Most tipped a dollar or two and I really felt good when I got a five. I did my best to make the customer happy with our product and service. Best tip I got was for taking order, preparing and delivering 200 pizzas to a group of seniors staying at a hotel coming to visit colleges in the area. I was fired by my company because the manager was stealing money and she thought I was the one who squealed on her- I didn't have any proof so it wasn't me. She is the one biggest headache out of all the adventures I had delivering pizzas. I was just getting married, moving into new house and going through surgery when she fired me. Strange but she had only been manager at our store for 5 months and after she fired me she was asked to quit. I was told she was jealous and even threatened to fire any of my co workers who went to my wedding- it was during the day when they were supposed to be off from work. A lot of people don't realize the amount of work a waiter or waitress does to prepare the food. Especially a delivery driver who has to pay for car and upkeep, insurance and uniform and work late hours. Yes $2 could be a standard tip and many didn't tip thinking all you do is ride around in a car, provided by the company,ha. People used to ask me what a good tip was and I would say 10-15% as good and 20% for very good service. The delivery charges added by many companies doesn't go to the driver as a tip that is separate.Tips were usually much better when I delivered in snow, hurricanes, super hot weather, late a night and even tornadoes. I delivered even to people calling in on cellphones because they had no electricty. I delivered to concert crowds such as the Grateful Dead, even got to meet musicians and politicians. The people that appreciated me the most were the kids, I was like family and I brought Food. The hugs and squeezes made up for not so great tips. There were older folk who were shutins that I think ordered pizza just to have another human to talk to and I made these people family just to make them feel wanted. And when we messed up got lost, wrong house, late I begged their forgiveness even got on bended knee, so yes tell your daughter it is good experience dealing with public and she will find a much better way to deal with situations than short tempered Steve Slater who was not very professional.
 
Aug. 14, 2010 10:24 am
Yep, I forgot about tipping out the back of the house. There are also many cases of the server getting NO paycheck because the servers sales percentage of supposed tips is taxed at 8% and that is taken out of the "paycheck". The IRS code says that servers must report an 8% tip based on their sales. If they get no tip, it doesn't matter...they still have to pay on the arbitrary 8%. The only business that does that by the way I believe???? That is one of the reasons you see far less lifers in the restaurant business. Most young people realize that there is no retirement, no sick leave, no health insurance (or insurance so high most cannot afford) and rarely vacation pay in the restaurant business by and large. There are a small percentage of restaurants who offer any benefits other than the daily pay. I loved the industry & I was so good at it, but I realized I needed to get in a different profession to get ANY benefits. All these years later, I still have old customers stay in touch and members of the restaurant teams do too. How cool is that? BTW the double the tax thing wouldn't work in Hawaii cuz it is just over 4%. One of the only cheap things about living in Hawaii:)
 
Aug. 14, 2010 12:12 pm
The word "tips" actually comes from the acronym T. I. P. S = To Insure Prompt Service. Unfortunately, it has come to be expected, no matter how well the server doe her/his job. I understand the difficulties inherent in calculating a tip, and I also understand what it's like to get stiffed. My daughter waited tables and did catering events, and had the same experience that everyone else is describing--some good tips, some not so good, and none. Twenty-six percent would be double the tax in BC. I find that a bit steep for a server who really doesn't do a good job or, worse, has a laissez faire or antagonistic attitude. One writer commented, maybe the server is having a bad day. If I suspect that might be the case (or even if she/he just needs an attitude adjustment), my solution is to say, "Have I said or done anything to offend you, or are you just having a bad day?" By adding on the second part of the sentence, I am giving the server a way to save face as well as to let her/him know that the service/attitude could and should improve. This kind of comment has led to much improved service, some apologies, and some confessing that "Yes, I am having a bad day." If the conversation leads to improved service/attitude, I leave a maximum tip of 20 - 25%. If not, I leave 10%. We go out to eat because we are under time pressures, need a break from cooking every day or simply need some down time to reflect and enjoy our food. We don't want to put up with a bad attitude or to have to be constantly looking for our server to find our when she/he is going to bring our drinks or how much longer we should expect to wait for our food. While on vacation a number of years ago, my husband and I went to a lovely little restaurant, ordered drinks and ribs. Our drinks arrived, but after about half an hour with no sight of our dinner or our server and having witnessed other couples being seated and served in a reasonable length of time, we asked another why our order was taking so long. She was appalled, apologized and explained that our server had had a fight with the chef, ripped off her apron and quit! Our ribs arrived very shortly thereafter, with more apologies. I realize that's an extreme case, but strange things do happen. You might want to try my approach and see if it improves anything for you when dining out. The server will be happier and get a bigger tip and you'll have created a more pleasant experience for all involved. Bon appetit!
 
Aug. 14, 2010 8:21 pm
I worked in lower income jobs like this for a short time and remember what it was like to be poor, I remember the bank account going down to around zero every month, I remember taking things off the grocery list because we couldn't afford them, and never eating out, wearing clothes till they had holes I couldn't mend any more. These people who work for a few dollars an hour like these waitresses or waiters we are talking about... I can't help but think about how poor life must be like for some of them who are trapped in this lifestyle, similar to the one I use to live in. I work with the public now and it's hard to stay pleasant and smiling for a full shift, especially when I see the way some of the public treat people who are serving them...it's appalling sometimes. Let me say aswell I am scared to send food back or complain to loudly before I am completely done the meal because I've seen the 20/20 shows showing what people sometimes do to the food they are serving (a little saliva or worse!). What about the hostess who seats your, or the cook who prepares the food, what are they paid then?
 
Aug. 15, 2010 12:08 pm
At most of the places I worked the servers had to tip out bussers, cooks, bartenders & hostesses. I know many don't. I have done ALL of the jobs and the one I found the hardest was serving. People get cranky when they are hungry or just sitting across from a person they don't like very much :) I liked the "power" I felt as a bartender and a cook. When I hostessed or bussed tables, I liked that I didn't have to spend alot of time pleasing individual customers.
 
Aug. 15, 2010 12:10 pm
I also received a much better hourly wage when I cooked or bartended.
 
 
 
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AOSWALT

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Craig, Missouri, USA
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Burr, Nebraska, USA

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Mar. 2004

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Expert

Cooking Interests
Baking, Slow Cooking, Asian, Mexican, Italian, Southern, Healthy, Dessert, Kids, Quick & Easy

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Scrapbooking, Gardening, Walking, Reading Books, Music

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About Me
I learned to cook watching my mom and my Grandma's cook - who all are the best in the world! I have huge garden and I can a lot of stuff for winter. My daughter would'nt dream of eating a pie that was store bought! And we raise chickens. There is nothing that compares to farm fresh eggs. They just make your baked goods taste better.
My favorite things to cook
Comfort food! If it's fattening, chocolate or salty I'm in! I love to take leftovers and transform them into something wow!
My favorite family cooking traditions
My mom always made sugar cookies with us kids at Christmas time and do the same thing now! I used to love to pick out a recipe and Mom would let me got to town in the kitchen! At Christmas I also make tons of candy's, breads, and cookies that I give away to neighbors and family for gifts.
My cooking triumphs
I love to enter canned goods and baked goods in the county fair! I have won quite a few ribbons! I recently had a recipe published in Nebraska Life Magazine's cookbook. I was so excited.
My cooking tragedies
One time I tried to make pierogies when I was about 15. Well I didn't realize how much a cast iron skillet would smoke when it got hot! I ended up filling the house with a lovely smokey aroma! I never have made them again! Another time I tried to make chicken satay, and my husband and daughter about gagged when they tried the sauce. As they said peanut butter doesn't go with chicken! But I loved it. They were scraping the sauce off the chicken. They won't let me live that one down!
 
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