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Breast Cancer Again... Bring on the Fruits and Veggies 
Aug. 26, 2011 7:13 am 
Updated: Sep. 2, 2011 6:07 pm
About a month ago, I learned I have a third primary breast cancer. The first one was 11 years ago; the second was 5 years ago, and now this. All three have been unique (in other words, none is a recurrence of an earlier one). And what this means, put bluntly, is that I'm a high risk breast cancer patient/survivor.

First, and most importantly, breast cancer doesn't scare me. It saddens me, but it doesn't scare me. 

Second, despite wishes to the contrary, none of us get out alive: despite my illness, I'm as likely to be hit by a truck as the next guy. 

Third, because I now know my body is an equal opportunity breast cancer maker, it seems wise to adjust my diet... at least enough to bring things into better balance. And thus, I'm embarking on a juice journey of fruits and vegetables (oh, let's toss in some ginger, shall we?). The idea of adding juicing to my treatment plan came from this: If you happen to subscribe to Netflix, they've got it under "Documentaries". It's worth watching if you've got aches, pains, diabetes, arthritis, a serious illness, or just want to lose some weight.

As it happens, while I've been at the stove all these years, my dear hubby has been satisfying his never-ending appetite with "snacks" of juiced fruits and veggies. Which means for 30 years I've been working on becoming a gourmet cook while he's become a gourmet juicer. How lucky (all things considered) can a girl get?

Although I'll have the tumor removed (and perhaps be even more aggressive), it makes sense to give my body a chance to be part of the healing process. As much as I'll miss some of my favorite dishes — at least as regularly as I've been eating them — I have to confess I've been neglectful of my fruit and veggie intake. And by that, I mean I often ignore them other than as ingredients I add to a dish starring something other than fruits and veggies.

This will be new for me, but hubby's been offering up some very tasty juices which I've taken between solid foods. I'll move off the solids soon, and go with a juice fast for a bit, to return to solids foods again when my body's ready. And I'll know when that is because my body, bless its heart, is very good at letting me know what it needs.

So if you see me posting juice recipes as part of my blog entries, now you'll know why ;)

Aug. 26, 2011 7:37 am
I'm truly sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis. You are very inspiring as you describe your feelings about the diagnosis and changes you plan on making in your life. I think it is so helpful for people to hear how others deal with the struggles in their lives...thank you for sharing and all the best. Hope you keep us all posted. :)
Aug. 26, 2011 7:44 am
Sad news, indeed. But your spirit shines through your writing. You are indeed fortunate to have a juice chef (there's got to be some fancy French word for that) right on the premises. You made me think about my own fruit/veggie intake. Too much of all the same, all the time. Watermelon, pineapple, salad standards, peas, corn green beans. Talk about a rut. Can't wait to see some juice recipes. I sure need a change.
Aug. 26, 2011 8:53 am
What a difficult path life has given you. With your positive attitude, supportive husband and healthy approach to your diet, brighter days are soon to come. I look forward to reading about your progress. Best wishes.
Aug. 26, 2011 8:54 am
I love your outlook on such a pesky and persistent disease. Sending you my thoughts and prayers. Keep us posted.
Aug. 26, 2011 11:50 am
Ellen - I read this earlier and I didn't know how to respond - I still don't. Your positive energy is amazing. You will have to share your healthy juice recipes - Blessings to you. (((hugs)))
Aug. 26, 2011 12:10 pm
Ellen, I love your attitude! Your proactive approach is inspiring, and I look forward to "juicing" with you once you share some recipes. (((((HUGS)))))
Aug. 26, 2011 2:17 pm
You go Juice Girl - God Bless You!
Aug. 26, 2011 2:17 pm
You go Juice Girl - God Bless You!
Aug. 26, 2011 2:19 pm
Sorry about that - - but I guess that gives you the "double blessing"
Aug. 26, 2011 2:36 pm
I know how important a winning attitude is and your doctors will appreciate it. The kind folks on this site are a super support group so keep blogging and let us know the ups and downs. ... Here's a little thing that fell out of my head. Perhaps it will make you see how important this site is to me. ...
Aug. 26, 2011 5:19 pm
Now this is just darned right unfair! Keep your attitude. Keep watch on new things happening in the field of medicine!
Aug. 26, 2011 7:12 pm
Hi Ellen, just came across your blog. You are amazing. Sending good thoughts your way and please let us know how you are doing!! Sounds like you maybe on to something with the diet changes
Aug. 27, 2011 2:25 am
My thoughts and prayers go out to you.
Aug. 27, 2011 9:37 am
Ellen: I’ve read your blog and the above comments and have similar feelings towards you of compassion as your other readers do. However, I also have feelings of excitement for you! Here’s why. I specialized in counseling people with cancer for many years and saw people heal completely from cancer by using the approach I describe below. So, the very first step is to understand that you are facing a great opportunity to grow spiritually, mentally and emotionally--as well as to heal completely physically...but in a way you have not tried before. The primarily physical approach [I assume] you have taken in the past to heal the cancer was temporarily successful, but not permanently. I offer you a permanent solution. DO NOT RELY SOLELY ON PHYSICAL LEVEL METHODS OF HEALING! In fact, I suggest that you set them aside until you have tried this method by itself. It has the best chance of working when used alone. So the second thing to understand is that the roots of cancer lie in the nonphysical aspects of ourselves-- the spiritual, mental and emotional--and in in that order. If you want a permanent cure you will need to pull the problem out by the roots. The problem at its bottom is in the spiritual (not religious) level of your being. However, since that is a level most of us are not too familiar with, a better place to start is the emotional and mental levels. If you can correct things there, the spiritual level will heal automatically. The process is: Get some time alone, and really think/feel about your life present and past. Focus particularly on anything traumatic that happened in the year or two before you got cancer for the first time. Ask yourself, what were/are the big issues for you emotionally? Allow yourself to really notice and feel the sorest places in your feelings. Allow yourself to be courageous enough to look at and feel everything--no matter how scary. Any anger, fear, sadness, jealousy or powerlessness all need to be acknowledged and allowed. Your emotional honesty will lead you to uncover a limiting belief that is above or behind the negative emotions. That belief may even be supported and condoned by your family, church and culture. But if it has caused you emotional pain, know that it is a limiting belief and there is a better more expansive belief you can replace it with: an ALL POSITIVE one. Example #1: Many women with breast cancer believe that they should put others before themselves. Breasts are about nurturing, but they are ours first of all. We need to nurture ourselves first until we feel full. So once women who “care-take” others replace the belief that that is a good thing to do with the more expansive knowledge that God wants us to put ourselves FIRST, then healing begins and can be complete in a very short time. It is my first hand experience that cancer is easy to cure. And it need not be accompanied by any discomfort or pain, either physical or financial. If you are a “care-taker” as so many good cooks are, know that after you have corrected the care-taking balance in favor of yourself that you will still have plenty of time and energy for others...BUT ONLY AT THE RIGHT TIME. When the excessive care-taker “gets it,” healing happens, at times very quickly. Cheating husbands are another common issue for women with breast cancer. What we refuse to look at will always bite us in the butt, and the Truth shall always set us free. God is the source of everything we need physically and emotionally. We must rely on Him/Her first. S/he sends us our emotions to guide us. Negative ones guide us away from limiting beliefs, situations and actions; positive ones guide us toward what is best for us. We truly can trust our feelings. I hope you find this information useful. Blessings. Brenda Nelson
Aug. 27, 2011 10:38 am
Ellen, sending positive thoughts your way. I like your attitude!
Aug. 27, 2011 11:08 am
Wow! What a strangely uplifting blog Ellen:) I wish you strength and wellness. I look forward to your future blogs. Thanks for sharing your journey.
Aug. 27, 2011 11:53 am
Your comments are as appreciated as they are surprising. My approach to breast cancer, and just about everything else, is to accept, embrace, love (very close to Brenda Nelson's recommendation). I'm pleased to know my approach is uplifting. I honestly don't know any other way that makes any sense! I promise to keep you posted. Hubby's been churning out juices for me all day and (incredibly) I'm so full I don't want anymore! Once I figure out what he's slipping into those juices I'll pass those recipes along as well :) BTW, if anyone knows how to contact Brenda (aka hestiaBHN, I'd like to contact her more directly. Again, thank you for all healing thoughts and energies. Each and every one of them does wonders (honest!).
Aug. 27, 2011 4:15 pm
I am so humbled by your wonderful spirit and attitude. You have charted your course and I have no doubt that you have made good plans. Just go through what you must knowing there are a lot of people you have never met who still care greatly. Sending you hugs and prayers.
Aug. 27, 2011 7:03 pm
Ellen: You can contact me at Brenda Nelson
Aug. 29, 2011 6:06 am
Your fabulous attitude and outlook on life and healing will have you soaring in no time!
Aug. 29, 2011 9:12 am
Bless your heart and your life! Three times must surely be a charm. Don't know what your outcome will be, but YOU GO GIRL!!
Aug. 29, 2011 9:44 am
Hi Ellen - My name is also Ellen, and I'm going through the breast cancer fight as well. In July I was diagnosed with Stage III Invasive Ductal Carcinoma; I just had my second session of chemo on the 17th and I'm happily embracing my baldness for summer! I love fruits and veggies, so I can't wait to see your juice recipes. Good luck, and hold on to your positive attitude!
Aug. 29, 2011 10:08 am
Hi Ellen, I don't have breast cancer and I am thankful that I do not. I know that mindset has lots to do with how you do. I do hope that you are doing O.K. My grandmother died of breast cancer back in the late 1940s. Poor lady, she had her breast removed, and it simply never healed. There was no treatment then. Times have changed and I am glad for that. I wish you well.
Aug. 29, 2011 11:14 am
Oh dear Ellen, thank you for your wonderful blog! I've read it now twice. I will read it again and I will be sending it to my youngest daughter, age 41 and a breast cancer survivor. She has just recently become very interested in a healthy diet. Her first choice was to eliminate ALL forms of sugar, fructose, corn syrup and the like; all fried foods, and anything white. She has incorporated lots of fruit and raw veggies in her diet and cut waaayyy back on meat. The reason for this? Her breat cancer was invasive and aggresive. After double complete mastectomies, she had a FULL year of "BIG, BAD CHEMO" every single Monday for 8 hours. She hemoraged twice and almost died twice from the chemo. It kilt the cancer while it almost kilt her! She has had a very hard time getting her strength and energy back. Being so incredibly sick, she also had no interest in eating, let alone eating well. But, now she is on a mission to improve her quality of life through diet. I cannot wait to get some of your recipes to share with her. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your blog, your positive attitude and sweet spirit. I'll be praying for you everyday Ellen. Blessings!
Aug. 29, 2011 11:48 am
Sending positive thoughts! May you beat this monster. I truly believe that juicing has great healing factors. Please share your juice recipes.
Aug. 29, 2011 3:06 pm
Hi Ellen, I have read this a few times and am amazed at your strength and stamina. God Bless you. Stay well. I juice everyday, many different types. If you would like any of the recipes, please let me know and I would be more than happy to send them to you. Often I use ginger in mine as well. I will hold a good thought for you. - Patricia.
Aug. 29, 2011 3:22 pm
Ellen, I wish you the best in beating cancer again. Your attitude is inspiring in the face of your illness and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers that you're returned to full health quickly. I just wanted to share with you, and you may already be aware of this, that there are some juice recipies linked to the website for the Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead documentary ( When you click on 'latest blog posts', you're directed to the Reboot Your Life web site. Once you're there, under the tab "Reboot Program", you'll find a link for recipies for various juice combinations. God bless you & your family on this journey to health.
Aug. 29, 2011 3:47 pm
What a lovely community you've all made for me. I've been blessed with each of you. Although I haven't got the time to reply to you all, I do want to answer a few of you. EclectRicity, it seems you've got a great attitude yourself. I'm sending happy energy your way. Candice, I'm so sorry to hear what your daughter's been through. If she hasn't already seen the documentary (Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead... available on Netflix), I suspect she'll get a lot from it. At the very least, it will confirm her current food choices. Rosebud, I'd love your recipes! We're already big into ginger (a fabulous addition). Isabeau, I've found the recipes on and hubby is using them as a reference. So far we're opting to go with a mix of research and what my body is telling me what it needs. Today is my 3rd day on pretty much "all juice". I'll get hubby to tell me what's in my favorite juices so far and post them. I'm also working on the parts of me (the being / spirit / soul) where healing will improve my physical condition. I've made some surprising headway so far which makes this an unexpectedly exciting time. But, truth be told, above all I'm spending a whole lot of time finding the humor and beauty in all things. In a strange way, breast cancer heightens life's wonders. What a trip...
Aug. 29, 2011 3:53 pm
Okay Ellen. I'm not sure what you like or what you've got, but I will send what I have. I will try to cram as many into one of these little blocks at a time. Back later.
Aug. 29, 2011 4:18 pm
Ellen- you are so inspiring! I am sending you warm thoughts!
Aug. 29, 2011 4:19 pm
Aug. 29, 2011 4:30 pm
You are an inspiration. I thank you for sharing. I think that will help you as much as it is helping us... you know you have an entire community here doing what they are comfortable doing,,, sending prayers, positive thoughts, blessings, and especially peace to you. We look forward to being with you as you take this journey and we will celebrate your positive attitude.
Aug. 29, 2011 4:43 pm
Juicing Recipes to Aid Heartburn 2 cups of blueberries 1 apple OR 1 cup broccoli florets 2 stalks of celery 4 large carrots 1” piece of fresh ginger root Heart Recipes 1 cup blueberries 1 cup blackberries 1 cup strawberries 1 peeled kiwi More to follow...
Aug. 29, 2011 4:51 pm
These are for two servings: -3 apples, 1 cup cranberries. -3 apples, 1 bunch red grapes, 1/2 lemon (skin on). -3 apples, 1 pear, 1 inch knob gingeroot. -2 apples, 1 cup cranberries, 1 bunch red grapes. -4 kiwi, 2 large ambrosia apples 1/2 orange (peeled) -1 thick pineapple round, 1 red apple, 6 strawberries. -4 carrots,3-4 broccoli florets,1/2 apple. -5 carrots, 2 sticks celery, large bunch parsley (very important for you) -7 carrots, 2 bunches spinach -2 rounds pineapple, 2 stalks celery -6 carrots, 1 inch slice sweet potato. -1 lemon peeled, 1 orange peeled, 1 pineapple, 3 wedges watermelon. -2 kiwi, 1/2 pineapple, 1 orange peeled, 1 in. gingeroot.
Aug. 29, 2011 4:55 pm
-1 cup spinach, 2 cups kale, 2 cups parsley, 1 cucumber, 3 celery stalks, add a little ginger if you wish. -2 1/2 apples, 1/2 cucumber, 1 inch gingeroot. -Green Juice Recipes Energizer - 2 apples - 1/2 cucumber - 1/2 lemon (peeled) - 1/2 cup of kale - 1/2 cup of spinach - 1/4 bunch of celery - 1/4 bulb of fennel - 1? of ginger - 1/4 head of romaine lettuce This one is a real blast, brimming with goodness. Sweet Green Juice 1 cucumber 1 carrot 1 green apple ¼ cup parsley ¼ cup mint 1 stalk of celery ½ inch of fresh ginger ½ lemon (peeled) Green juice recipes and green colored fruits and vegetables: One fundamental quality of green juice recipes is chlorophyll, which is the product of plants turning light into energy for insects and animals to eat. Without this, life as we know it, would not exist. Some of the many amazing benefits of chlorophyll include; powerful detoxifying properties including that of the liver, as well as removing unfriendly bacteria, parasites and mold. Chlorophyll can also improve our blood quality due to its molecular make up, similar to hemoglobin. It helps increase red blood cell count and increases the movement of oxygen throughout our blood. It also helps the repair and growth of all tissues in the body.
Aug. 29, 2011 4:57 pm
-3 kiwis, 2 cups blueberries. -2 cups strawberries, 2 cups blueberries, 1 1/2 cup raspberries. -Melon Medley - 1/2 watermelon - 1/2 honeydew - 1/2 cantaloupe Remove rinds and seeds (except for watermelon seeds). Tropical Fruit Juice Recipes - 1 orange - 1 kiwi - 1/2 mango - sparkling mineral water Peel all the fruits and also pit the mango. Pour the juice in a large glass, fill to the top with sparkling water and serve.
Aug. 29, 2011 5:01 pm
-2 apples, 3 1/2 watermelon pieces with rind. -1 lemon, 1 orange, 2 hard pears, 2 apples. Peel orange and lemon, remove apple stems. -Melon Medley - 1/2 watermelon - 1/2 honeydew - 1/2 cantaloupe Remove rinds and seeds (except for watermelon seeds). Tropical Fruit Juice Recipes - 1 orange - 1 kiwi - 1/2 mango - sparkling mineral water Peel all the fruits and also pit the mango. Pour the juice in a large glass, fill to the top with sparkling water and serve.
Aug. 29, 2011 5:02 pm
Ellen, I truly hope this helps you. I also hope you are able to understand what I've sent. Please excuse any typing errors. If you have any questions, please let me know and I will do my very best to answer them. Godspeed.
Aug. 29, 2011 5:25 pm
Ellen, I will keep you in my prayers. You are certainly an inspiration for us all. I have a different kind of juicer and use it more in the summertime, but should really be using it all the time to incorporate more veggies in my diet. I am looking forward to your recipe as you have inspired me to start taking better care of myself. May God Bless you.....
Aug. 29, 2011 6:21 pm
Wow Rosebud! Thank you for all those juice recipes. I've copied them all and sent to my daughter. Thank you again.
Aug. 29, 2011 8:39 pm
Wow Ellen, Thank you for your blog and your inspirational attitude. As a long-time volunteer for a cancer cause blessed to never had had cancer myself, I have a great respect for all survivors. Frankly, the disease scares the heck out of me and your proactive approach is a wonderful to reclaim power. Fruit and veggies are loaded with nutrients and the options are endless! Enjoy, and thank you again for a loud message that inspires me to get the heck off a pitty pot :-)
Aug. 30, 2011 2:05 am
Yesterday is but a dream, and tomorrow is only a vision, but today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. - Anonymous
Aug. 30, 2011 7:23 am
Rosebud, you're a gem! Thanks for taking the time to type these all up... I'll pass them off to hubby who will no doubt be happy to have more resources! Thanks, too, to all who've expressed your support and good wishes. When I wrote this blog post, I had no idea I'd get such a response. How great is that?
Aug. 30, 2011 9:05 am
Ellen, you're so very welcome. Incidently, I also use The Bullet for a specific drink. They call it the Energy Drink and boy! does it ever work! Here is what you put into the bullet for one drink: 2-3 chunks of watermelon (6 inches long), 2 spears of pineapple, 1 beet, handful spinach and 3-4 broccoli florets. Its fantastic for a pick me up and you're getting your servings. Take good care of you. If I get any more recipes, I will let you know. Please keep in touch when you can.
Aug. 30, 2011 2:32 pm
Ellen, Thank you for being open. You never know who will get checked because of your blog. Keep us up on how you are. I know it will encourage many of us.
Aug. 30, 2011 8:23 pm
Great Blog! I have had several friends fight and win the breast cancer battle! I am really interested in the juicing recipes. What kind of juicer is your hubs using? At $7 a glass at Whole Foods I would do better buying my own! Sending you prayers from TN.
Aug. 31, 2011 12:01 pm
Wow! I just joined allrecipes a few moments ago. I just had a mastectomy in July and am facing chemo in one week. Imagine my amazement to find such a positive group responding to you Ellen and so much information regarding healthy eating. I, too appreciate your openess and positive attitude and thank those who took the time to post juice recipes. I just bought a juice blender as a gift to myself and will be putting it to the test using those recipes. I will be thinking of you and watching for updates as you travel this path. Although I am way out of my comfort zone with this new challenge I think, "what can I learn from this?" Already what I need is coming to me. May you be healthy and strong, may you be peaceful and content and may you give that husband of yours many hugs for being the juice gourmet that he is :)
Aug. 31, 2011 1:47 pm
First chance I've had to read your blog. You are an inspiration! I wish you well on your journey and hope to see many entries from you in the future!
Aug. 31, 2011 8:04 pm
I just stumbled upon your blog. I am searching for a way to "upgrade" my diet,though I think I do a resonable (enough) job already. You're recipes are interesting, and certainly thought-provoking. I pray for your recovery, and the love and support of your family, friends, and online community. This is my prayer for you. :)
Sep. 1, 2011 9:02 am
I love your attitude. Try finding out about adding mushrooms, onions, greens, and berries to your diet also. I think these help the body. You have not given up so you have already won! My prayers to you.
Sep. 1, 2011 9:07 am
...and, I really hope that you do get in touch with Brenda. I read her post after I posted my own but I am so glad you "heard" her. I wait for the story of your complete healing.
Sep. 1, 2011 10:12 am
You might want to check with you doctor regarding a genetic issue. My mother and sister had breast cancer. My mother was fine, but my sister did not survive. As a result I have been going to a cancer center hospital (Roswell Park) on a regular basis for check-ups. I was diagnosed with breast cancer a few months ago. I was fortunate as it was very early. A new nurse practitioner decided to do some genetic testing and it turns out I have a genetic inability to absorb folate and folic acid. One of the side effects to this is breast cancer. I am now take a medication called Deplin which is folic acid in a form that I can absorb. Hope this information is helpful and good luck and best wishes!!.
Michelle MM 
Sep. 1, 2011 12:55 pm
Ellen Like one of the other readers, I didn't know what I wanted to say, just that I needed to connect with you. I am convinced that you will get through this and anything else that comes your way. You are proof that our minds are powerful and you know what is best for your body. I hope you know that you have inspired me and every single person who has read your post. For me, music and dancing has helped me through some tough times. Another thought: I have a very knowledgeable couple in my town that has a healthfood store and I have learned more than I every imagined from them. ENJOY EVERY MOMENT! It's the hard times that make us what we are and show us our strength.
Sep. 1, 2011 2:26 pm
God Bless you........
Sep. 2, 2011 3:23 am
May God aid you through this time and continue to bless you with a strong spirit and resolve. Your attitude and resilience are amazing.
Sep. 2, 2011 11:00 am
I have seen that show. I bought a juicer because of it. Dr. Joel Fuhrman(from the video) has books about nutrition. I found a couple at the local library. Might be something worth checking out while you are figuring out what you want to put into that juicer. Google fat and sick. He has a website up to help you. I believe it is free. Check it out and good luck. Now if I can only get my mom to watch the show too.
Sep. 2, 2011 2:16 pm
What an inspiration you are, & your husband is a gem. I jsut recently got the Dr. Fuhrman books after seeing a program on PBS. It's very enlighteining. I had uterine cancer last year, but opted not to do the Chemo & radiation, & I've had a good year & looking forward to the future. One day at a time & I'm sure your positive attitude will help you! Best of wishes from me to you.
Sep. 2, 2011 3:49 pm
Hi Ellen, I've not ever said anything on one of your blogs because, quite frankly, it scares the carp out of me and, I hate being one for useless platitudes. I do wish you all my best. My wife is a high risk breast cancer potentate. She goes thorugh a yearly diagnostic rigor and so far, so good. Her mom died of it at age 43 when my wife was just 6 so the whole issue hits home in ways that I'm simply not capable of expressing. All my best to you.
Sep. 2, 2011 6:07 pm
You continue to amaze me! I'll post an update soon ;)
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Adding orange juice to diced tomato sauce • Adding Cointreau to fresh fruit salads or a chocolate sauce • Adding tequila and bittersweet chocolate to chili • "poaching" salmon in orange juice, sprinkled with Old Bay and tarragon • adding cidar vinegar and soy sauce to vegetable soups • adding fresh mint to steamed red potatoes • knowing how to bail out a botched dish (example: over-steamed broccoli mashed with bleu or swiss cheese isn't nearly as bad as over-steamed broccoli on it's own).
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