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Penny Lane

We Don't Have the Right to Know 
Nov. 7, 2012 12:16 pm 
Updated: Nov. 15, 2012 1:29 am

What will $50 + million buy you? 

It seems it was enough confuse & scare the voters of California with the threat of high food costs.  

It was enough to deny us the right to know what is in our food.  

Prop 37, that would have required GMO labeling in California, went down to defeat.  It was a narrow loss and hopefully the beginning a food movement that will spread across North America.  

80% of the boxes in the grocery carts across North America contain EPA registered pesticides or are genetically-engineered to withstand copious amounts of herbicides.  

Do you know which products those are?  

Unless you are purchasing entirely organic, you can't be certain that the food you and your family are eating does not contain GMO's.    

I have no scientific proof that there is a link between GMO's and the increase in immune disorders, food allergies, cancer, autism, infertility and a host of other disorders.  

I do believe there is a connection. 

Why is it that an otherwise healthy 4 year old girl, the grand daughter of one of our members, develop a rare brain tumor?  

This is an update from little Ava's facebook page.


" According to the radiology oncologist, Ava's diagnosis doesn't have a name.  It is a rare kind of tumor that has only been discovered in the last few years.  He said some kids do well with treatment, some don't.  Ava will have 6 1/2 weeks of radiation and follow it with oral chemo."  

Then their is Mauigirl's 40 year old son, diagnosed with a type of colon cancer that is usually only seen in men twice his age.  

I do believe that eventually a link will be established between GMO's and these diseases / disorders.   Just like Agent Orange and DTT.  Those were "safe" weren't they?   

So now what?  

Are we willing to sacrifice an entire generation?  

What can we as consumers do?  

There are stores like Trader Joe's that have made a commitment to all non GMO products.  Their prices are reasonable and they will be getting my business. 

Trader Joe's Locations

Costco carries a wide range of organic products.  They get my business too. 

I have contacted Sprouts Market about GMO's and have not heard back from them yet.  They do sell organic products however I am not sure about their commitment to NON GMO products. 

Bristol Farm's - an upscale market whose claim to fame is "the finest quality' donated to the No on 37 campaign, I won't be spending any more money there.   

Become a label reader.  

The most common GMO ingredients are cotton seed oil, corn, soy, canola and beet sugar.   Unless labeled as Non- GMO chances are great that any product containing these ingredients are genetically modified. 

I also have recently learned that the PLU code on fruit does not really indicate if a vegetable is genetically modified. 


Fruit and produce have a label with a code on it.  

If the code is 5 digits and begins with a '9' it is Organically grown.

If the code is 4 digits that product is conventionally grown.  

If the code is 5 digits and it begins with an '8"  it is genetically modified.  

However this 8 designation is OPTIONAL.  These codes are really designed to make it easier for the checkers to know what to charge - not to inform the consumer of GM products. 

Fortunately, there are only a few genetically modified fruits and vegetables on the market - at least for now. 

Some zucchini, crook neck squash, papaya from Hawaii and some corn on the cob are the suspects.

The real concern is the processed foods and unfortunately baby food and many formulas.  

Here is another concern - have you noticed the rise in gluten intolerance and the gluten free products?  If a person eliminates gluten from their diet chances are they are eating more corn products and 80 - 90% of corn  is genetically modified to either withstand large doses of Round Up herbicide or to produce it's own pesticide within the corn itself.  To me, it stands to reason that eating corn that produces it's own pesticide - which is actually registered with the EPA as a pesticide, is not a good idea and will lead to other severe health problems.  

Support growers and companies that willingly label NON GMO products.  

I know how hard it is for busy families to put food on the table but I would encourage you to abandon the business as usual companies that have no regard for the health and safety of our food supply. 

Our government isn't going to require labeling.  The only thing we can do is speak with our $$$  - big food is only interested in their bottom line.  

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Nov. 7, 2012 12:51 pm
A friend once told me CA was a progressive state. I had so hoped the bill would pass and then other states would fall in line. I am with you, I don't have proof just educated guesses about our environment and how our food is grown. When the farmer down the road said over the years he had to use more and more chemicals on his fields because of the changes being made that really scared me. We only have 1 world to live in and if it doesn't have clean air, clean food or clean water where will we be?
Nov. 7, 2012 12:52 pm
what guarantee do we have if we buy organic products that they are really organic. I have heard reports that producers have miss labeled organic products to just get more money for the same products. the only way you know for sure something is organic is to grow them yourself.
Nov. 7, 2012 12:58 pm
That is so true KingSparta or know the person you are buying from!
Nov. 7, 2012 12:59 pm
Baking Nana, I'm disappointed too, because like Cat Hill, I hoped other states would get in line. We will just have to fight harder.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:03 pm
Cat Hill - Before the onslaught of lies and deception from the No group (of which there were many) most people were all in favor of labeling - up until just a month before the election Prop 37 was leading by 65% in the polls. We were simply out spent. I have a feeling that we are only seeing the beginning of this movement. For now, all we can do is speak with our $$.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:07 pm
King Sparta - You have a point. I order my produce from an Organic Farm - I trust them. That doesn't help with the processed foods though. Try to stay out of the freezer section and the center aisles - make what I can and avoid fast food. Trader Joe's is growing in leaps and bounds - I will support their growth.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:08 pm
Bibi - I am not going to stop beating the drum. At the same time it just breaks my heart to know that countries like China and India require labeling while we are the lab rats for big Agri-business. Sigh....
Nov. 7, 2012 1:10 pm
BTW - I know that the real fear of Prop 37 winning is exactly that, Bibi. It would spread and then what? People might actually question what they are being force fed?
Nov. 7, 2012 1:15 pm
Cyhalothrin makes your vegetables taste so good, and it is really good for your nervous system.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:18 pm
China and India require labeling and we don't, that is sad.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:21 pm
I am a little confused...before the lies and deception from the no group....every person got to vote on this, what person would not want to know what is in there food? Was it in the wording of the question? Did it all fall on spending more money on labeling? How did the No group sway people? This is interesting to me, B'Nana as I thought that would be something that passed last night. Have not heard a thing about it up here, we did hear of Washington, Colorado, Maine, etc change of laws. But it seems they are keeping this quiet. For now.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:27 pm
Cyhalothrin, just looked that up. In my herb book pyrethrums are condsidered safe to use with caution due to sensitivty of the skin. So in '88 they made it "better" and stronger then studied it on animals. I stopped reading the results because I couldn't believe they would find this safe.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:35 pm
RNG - The initial polls prior to the election were overwhelmingly for labeling. Then came the ads, radio, TV "It is going to cost you so much more to feed your family" a lie - they change their labels frequently and in Europe it didn't rise prices at all. Also they used the FDA symbol (and the Dept of Jutice is looking into that, too late now) and a false claim from someone who is not even with the FDA any more. They claimed that products from China would be exempt, not true as they would be under the same burden of proof BUT China already has GMO labeling. The Yes group had about $4 million to work with the NO group way over $50 million. Bottom line people got confused and scared that the grocery bill was going to sky rocket. I can post some link to read more about it if you would like.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:37 pm
I mostly agree with you, but using China to shame us is not a great idea. China requires labeling, but poisons seem to frequently show up in their products. I feel nervous every time I take my meds because they were produced in China.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:38 pm
Here is a link to who donated to both sides. There were other donations that came in in the last 2 weeks but this gives you a pretty clear picture. http://www.kcet.org/news/ballotbrief/elections2012/propositions/prop-37-funding-genetically-engineered-food.html
Nov. 7, 2012 1:42 pm
Doc - agreed and I try to avoid products made in China esp. food. But we have the information on the product "made in China" to help us decide. We are not afforded that same info on GMO's. The burden of labeling would have fallen on the manufacturer. Don't you think that it is sad that China and India along with 50 other nations have the right to know and we do not? Crazy.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:52 pm
I try to buy our food at local farmer markets,and we also grow our own.I agree with you Baking Nana,when we grocery shop,we always read the labels.I have to cause i can't have dairy,plus we rarely buy canned,i make everything home made. Learned how to cook at an early age.Both my husband and i like to cook.That's a plus.
Nov. 7, 2012 1:59 pm
thanks for the link, Nana. Informative but not surprising to say the least. The labelling may surprise you if/when it could ever happen. The list of non GMO is probably shorter. I believe this is larger than we realize and that it is connected in so many raw foods already. Roger's sugar, for example uses sugar beets, Redpath sugar does not, Redpath does cost more in the store. I do not believe that any manufacturing company using sugar as an ingredient is going to purchase Redpath over Rogers. Know what I mean? So if it is in sugar, think of how wide spread this is to date:( ^^^^this is just an example, no proof or numbers to back it all up, just an observation from what I have been reading.
Nov. 7, 2012 2:03 pm
I am just SICK about this. RNG, around these parts "sugar" is less often used than HFCS which you can bet has been genetically modified. Thanks for the update B'Nana. :(
Nov. 7, 2012 2:09 pm
GMO's, pesticides that are banned in the USA but allowed on imported fruits and veggies and now high arsenic levels in rice are of concern to me. Unfortunately, I think most people care only short term. It is a shame that the lies in political ads are allowed. Thanks, BN, for helping to educate others on GMO's. Here is a link to the arsenic concern and yes it is in sooooo many foods. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm
Nov. 7, 2012 2:26 pm
I'm so disappointed this didn't pass, because if it doesn't in Cali, there's almost no chance it would even make it to the ballot in Louisiana. Makes me glad I'll have room to grow most of my own next year.
Nov. 7, 2012 2:44 pm
manella - I order organic fruit and vegetables - all local and delivered to my house. I think it is a heck of a deal but out of the reach of most young families. I don't have room to grow a lot but I grow what I can. I buy my eggs locally - a friend of mine raises hens for eggs. I just found a local CSA for meat. What makes me the most angry is what they are hiding. Why should EVERYONE have the right to know and choose.
Nov. 7, 2012 2:47 pm
RNG - good point about the sugar. I buy Pure Cane Sugar - it is non GMO. Made my own "Corn Syrup" too - again not hard and actually cheaper than Karo but most people won't do that. Most people don't even think about it - sugar is sugar right? WRONG!
Nov. 7, 2012 2:50 pm
LS - I know that you have a great understanding of the danger of GMO's - how in the heck can we get away from them without labeling? There are the obvious 'suspect' ingredients but who knows for sure. If I had a non GMO product right now, I would be plastering that label with NO GMO
Nov. 7, 2012 2:52 pm
Marie C - I have been reading about the rice. This is just terrible, yet it shouldn't surprise me. What's next?
Nov. 7, 2012 2:54 pm
Amanda - keep banging the drum, grow your own, buy local and avoid processed foods. Most of all, spread the word. There is power in numbers. I was reading a report that said that it would only take a 5% drop in market share to sway the trend. Support those who support healthy food.
Nov. 7, 2012 2:58 pm
Marie C - a friend of mine spend 2 weeks in China on a business trip - after seeing how the food is grown and produced, sprayed with DDT and worse - he came home and toss every food item in his pantry that was made in China, Indonesia and a couple of other countries. Yet, Chino requires GMO labeling? Huh?
Nov. 7, 2012 3:10 pm
BN, farmed fish and shellfish from Asia are often raised in ponds filled with what amounts to sewage. I try to buy local and will not buy food of any type from certain countries. I have found farro to be an excellent replacement for rice.
Nov. 7, 2012 3:13 pm
Marie C - I was trying to explain to a client that they didn't want the cheaper farm raised shrimp from Asia - they really wanted the more expense wild shrimp product of USA or Mexico - they didn't like the price increase. Oh, well. I might loose a client or two but I won't bu that junk. I will have to experiment with Farro.
Nov. 7, 2012 3:18 pm
I am going to post a couple of links that might be eye opening to those who want to do their own reading. Here is one on the PLU codes of fruit and veggies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/plu-codes-do-not-indicate_b_473088.html
Nov. 7, 2012 3:20 pm
Here is one on what organic is and the different types of organic - none contain GMO's http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELDEV3004446&acct=nopgeninfo
Nov. 7, 2012 3:21 pm
Here is one on the Farm Bill and Farm subsidies - http://caff.org/
Nov. 7, 2012 3:22 pm
Here is one to the Farm Fresh to You program that I use. Lots of info here.... http://www.farmfreshtoyou.com/index2.php?cmd=links
Nov. 7, 2012 3:23 pm
Here is one that explains the difference between hybrids and GMO's - short but concise. http://www.ehow.com/about_6529391_hybrid-vegetable-vs_-genetically-modified.html#ixzz2AWXDMmom
Nov. 7, 2012 3:40 pm
Thank you Baking Nana for all your effort on posting this.I found it very informative,and a little scary.You just never know do you?
Nov. 7, 2012 3:44 pm
manella - we should all be scared. Unfortunately - not enough of us are.
Nov. 7, 2012 4:22 pm
Here is a link the the GMO Compass that some might find interesting. http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/grocery_shopping/fruit_vegetables/15.genetically_modified_tomatoes.html
Nov. 7, 2012 4:30 pm
Education, not fear mongering is key to winning the labeling battle. The YES group must strive to educate people about the ills of GMOs based on sound scientific research. Telling people that they MIGHT get sick if they eat GMOs but we don't know for sure... and thus relying on people to vote with gut feelings will do nobody any good. In an economy as sluggish as this, where job security is as mythical as a unicorn, it is no wonder that the possibility of increased grocery bills poses more of a threat than POSSIBLY becoming sick some time later. Try putting yourselves in the shoes of people already struggling to feed their family - if this proposition passes and the agri companies make good their threat of increased prices, they would end up still buying the GMOs despite the higher prices as the organic produce still cost more than they can afford. They are stuck between a rock and a very hard place. If anything else, this proposition just came at a bad timing. When the economy improves drastically and people have more money to spend on necessities, the chance of this passing would be much greater...
Nov. 7, 2012 4:49 pm
merlion - good points - a couple of problems - the scientific community is not allowed to do their own independent testing of GMO corn / soy etc....they are patent protected. "Trade Secrets" - People not only might get sick, they are getting sick. Big Bucks Argi-business knew where they would make their biggest inroads by threatening higher food prices. These companies change their labels more frequently and given an 18 month lead time - it would cost nothing. Do they charge for NEW AND IMPROVE or SAME PRODUCT NEW PACKAGE - we were asking for a small disclosure - either front or back that simply stated "May or Does contain GMO ingredients." Example": Yesterday I was comparing two pasta sauces - both the same price. One had the front label, "All Profits to Charity" 'Healthy' etc... and contained ingredients (oils) which are known to be GMO suspects - the other said, made with olive oil. The ingredients didn't indicate anything that would be GMO suspect. Wouldn't it be nice to choose? Personally, if I had a product right now that was GMO free - I would be plastering that all over the label.
Nov. 7, 2012 4:52 pm
BTW - Merlion - not trying to be a fear monger - but if those were my kids fighting a "new and improved cancer" I would be scared to death. Call it what you will - but I don't think it is "Fear Mongering". The RIGHT TO KNOW should be a given.
Nov. 7, 2012 5:06 pm
Thank you Baking Nana for continuing to provide information on this. I agree with others that I was disappointed this did not pass in California but if it can't pass there, it definitely won't pass in Texas. I'm so happy that Trader Joe's opened up here. I may have to shop more at Costco also. Marie C. Thanks for sharing that information about the rice? I don't understand why we don't hear more about this in the media. You are right Baking Nana. The only thing the big companies understand is money. I will be spending more of my money at Trader Joe's and Costco also.
Nov. 7, 2012 5:30 pm
Occasional Cooker - Trader Joe's is growing by leaps and bounds. I will do my best to support that. I have always admired Costco and supported them - that will continue. Why don't we hear more? Good question. Are American consumers so dumb they don't want to hear? Seems that way to me. I am sure my friends think I am a wacko - fear monger. Even the ones that have kids and grandkids with major health issues. Ignorance is not bliss.
Nov. 7, 2012 5:57 pm
This whole topic is scary to me. I wish GMO labeling was required everywhere. And just when you think you're eating healthy by eating fruits, vegies, whole foods you have to worry about arsenic/pesticides. *Sigh* I wish we didn't have to rely on food and water to survive. I think for most people the topic and reading labels is just too overwhelming to them. I saw on the news the other day about a tomato aimed to lower cholesterol - but at what expense? Here's the link on that - http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20006800/gene-tweaked-tomatoes-probiotics-aim-to-lower-your-cholesterol
Nov. 7, 2012 6:00 pm
And it also frustrates me to see commercials like Walgreen's that shows a woman making a green smoothie and the narrator saying we shouldn't use crazy remedies to get healthy and we should come straight to Walgreens. Now that is infuriating also. Not only do we have to worry about what's in our foods but we have companies like this telling us not to eat healthy and to pop a pill, which is nothing but chemicals! AARRGG!
Nov. 7, 2012 6:22 pm
Great blog topic. Lets not forget when eating animal products that we are eating GMOs indirectly ... Commercially raised animals are fed feed that is GMO based. Include dairy too.
Nov. 7, 2012 6:38 pm
Linda is right. Also consider any product with corn and soybeans questionable and do you have any idea how many products that includes? I'm so glad I have reduced my consumption of processed foods already. I plan to continue this "trend". I am also planning a bigger garden next year. At this point I'm also considering a grow light set up with a frame to start many things from seed. I may use Miracle Gro which would make my produce non-organic, but I will only use an organic pesticide and only if necessary. The dwindling bee population has me very concerned. Years ago I was told sevin dust is safe to use. It washes off the plants, etc. etc. Well yeah, it won't hurt ME but it will kill the bees!! If there are no bees visiting my garden, I'll have no squash! Woody Harrelson made a documentary called "Ethos". It's about how you "vote" every time you spend your dollars. Think about what you're buying. Vote with your dollars. *stepping off soapbox*
Nov. 7, 2012 6:51 pm
Baking Nana, it saddens me that Prop. 37 did not pass in California. I have an allergy to soy and didn't have it before 1987. A lot of products have soy. Bread, baked goods, cake mixes, salad dressing, creamed soup, some lunch meats, etc. The list goes on and on. Going to a restaurant or traveling is a challenge because soy is in so many dishes. I really try to buy organic produce and I try to stay away from canned foods.
Nov. 7, 2012 7:48 pm
KGora - it is scary - we MUST have fresh food and clean water to survive. This is not an option! What is really scary is the number of FDA recalls - daily my box is full. Mostly with allergy issues but often with recalls of fresh bagged salads. Those are dangerous. Do you remember when taking a pill to fulfill all your daily nutritional needs was a thing of the future? The future is here....
Nov. 7, 2012 7:59 pm
Linda - Under the labeling laws that were proposed only first generation GMOs were to be labeled. Currently there are no GMO animals or fish on the market - although GMO salmon is on the fast track to be approved. If we labeled all beef, chicken & pork who ate GMO corn as Genetically Modified - what does that make us, who eat GMO products everyday. I guess we are GMO's too.
Nov. 7, 2012 8:02 pm
Lady Sparkle - I had a complete zucchini failure this year - why? No pollination - no bees. How scary is that? Who can't grow zucchini. I have had bees on my basil that is going to seed and flowering. I have allowed the basil to flower and seed, the bees love it and they are the only ones I have seen this season.
Nov. 7, 2012 8:20 pm
ela - Soy is in so many things. It was about 1996 that GM soy hit the market. Soy Lecithin is common in breads, pastry and through out the baking industry. Food allergies are serious business - I hope you subscribe to the FDA recalls.
Nov. 7, 2012 8:20 pm
If big companies are buying off the props, what else are they buying off?
Nov. 7, 2012 8:36 pm
bd.weld - big AG owns our food supply, our government - the FDA, USDA and more. We are unwilling, human Lab Rats. We have a choice - support the growers and providers that commit to non GMO products. We can speak with our $$$$. Until big Agri-business sees a dip in their sales, nothing will change.
Nov. 7, 2012 9:15 pm
It's so sad that people will watch a TV ad and vote accordingly instead of researching what really is happening. Don't think it's over yet, hopefully the no GMO's will be on the front label like no MSG's, no trans fats, etc.
Nov. 8, 2012 5:12 am
bd.weld, don't let the no trans fat notation on the front label fool you. As long as it falls below a certain amount they can use that label. You need to read the ingredient list to be sure it is truly trans fat free. Btw, there is no safe level for trans fat.
Nov. 8, 2012 5:35 am
I do agree with you that there should be labeling products. But knowing China's track record I would guess that labeling really doesn't mean anything there. Would that be the same here? I tend to still trust American or European manufacturers to be honest in their labeling. But the manufacturers are to some degree also the regulators in that they provide a lot of input into the regulations. That is both good and bad in that they know the business, but also, they KNOW the business. It's probably still better than a bureaucrat writing the regs without a clue as to how it should be done.
Nov. 8, 2012 5:44 am
bd.weld - I was reading a report that indicated that it would only take a loss of 5% of the market share to get the major players attention. But like Marie C indicated, big food are the masters of labeling lies.
Nov. 8, 2012 5:46 am
It seems like such a simple thing to do for consumer information. If, in the future, this proves to be scientifically harmful, those growers/suppliers will be in deep liability, in the same light as asbestos providers and installers. Here on AR, the outrage is very evident, but look around to our neighbors and find out from them their knowledge or opinion. Chances are, if they know, they don't care to hear about it and are unwilling to voice a protest or support for the protest.
Nov. 8, 2012 5:48 am
Marie C - you are right, if it says partially hydrogenated it contains trans fats. that *per serving is a dead give away. In addition, no or low fat usually means more sugar almost always in the form of a GMO sugar.
Nov. 8, 2012 5:59 am
Doc - it is bit like the fox guarding the hen house, isn't it? It was only 15 - 16 years ago that GMOs entered the food supply, today they are in 80 - 90% of processed foods. All without proper testing or disclosure to the consumer. It is mind boggling to me that this has been allowed to happen.
Nov. 8, 2012 6:12 am
Mike - you are again, spot on. Most people don't even know or care to know about GMOs. Through this last couple of months, talking to people about Prop 37 it became clear that many people really don't understand. I had one woman say, all the vegetables in the market are genetically modified. No, they might be hybrids not the same, at all as GMOs. Another friend actually got mad at me and said, I don't want to hear that we are feeding our grandkids poison - I just don't believe it. She has 5 of her 7 grandkids with major medical problems. I do believe that there is a connection but I am sure that she thinks I am a wacko. (Maybe I am) Time will tell, in the mean time if I can avoid GMOs for my family and clients I will do so and I will continue to beat the drum.....
Nov. 8, 2012 6:25 am
FYI - a similar measure will be coming to Washington, Oregon, Vermont and Connecticut within the next 2 years.
Nov. 8, 2012 6:40 am
B'Nana ((hugs)) you are ALSO RIGHT. This is how we make change happen. Do a google search for "non GMO consumer products" . . .there are good information web sites about our "Right to Know".
Nov. 8, 2012 6:51 am
The businesses that COMMIT to using non GMO produce in the manufacture of their products (and if I were having a baby, I would investigate those in depth) would have a valuable "advertising tool", I would think.
Nov. 8, 2012 7:05 am
Baking Nana, it is difficult for working parents to take time to do the necessary research. They are so busy with daily life, it is difficult to find time to go to the store. Unfortunately Trader Joe's are not available everywhere yet. (although they are growing.) Plus with work, often lunch may be brought in for a meeting or employees go out to eat at lunch. Who's to know what is in that food that we eat? I think it was LindaT who said we just need to buy a few acres of land, get a cow, a pig and some chickens and grow our own fruits and vegetables and become completely self sustaining.
Nov. 8, 2012 7:27 am
OC. . .that's the value in knowing. We can't change it until we know. The only "speaking" value we have is where we spend our $$'s. Already we know corn and soybeans are GMO (in at least 80% of boxed consumer items) What about wheat? (breathe easy, so far not). . .but. . .well. . . it's our FOOD! Food + water = NECESSARY TO LIFE.
Nov. 8, 2012 7:41 am
I agree LadySparkle. I think there needs to be a food movement to require GMO labeling. However, I understand how busy parents can be overwhelmed with daily life and not jump on the bandwagon as fast as we would like. It is going to have to be the ones that are passionate about this issue to continue to spread the word and vote with our dollars.
Nov. 8, 2012 7:44 am
I looked at the list once again of the supporters and non supporters to the proposal and the $ amounts. I also checked out a greenpeace website, that would give me a better Canadian perspective of companies and grocery stores (seems they have their own agenda, but that is a whole other topic) .. http://www.thehealingjournal.com/node/1219 .. When I read names like Dow, Kraft, Coca cola, Neslte, General Mills, Kellogs, Heinz, Hershey, etc, etc all against the proposal all may be using some form of a GMO, then I find it impossible to fill my cart without supporting some of these companies in one way or another. And I already live the lifestyle of hunting, harvesting, and gardening, and from scratch foods. What are we to do? Suggestions of alternatives would be great. Also on the list of supporters, are mostly names that I do not recognize at all, and I often walk down the organics aisle at the grocery store. This becomes a huge debate for me. Do I support a company I know nothing about, or do I continue to support companies who have fed my family and myself over my life span?
Nov. 8, 2012 8:25 am
and just to rock the boat a little more, when I grow my tomatoes-they are of all shapes, and sizes when I pick them. Many need to ripen in the house because of our climate and frost. As they ripen, some soften very quickly, some dry out on the tops, some get funky looking spots, several actually turn bad (rot) before they ripen. I use these tomatoes as much through the year as I can, but in the dead of winter, I want to buy some fresh ones from the store. When I do purchase tomatoes, I have noticed, they are all perfect in size, texture-non are soft and mushy like mine. The colour is off-more orange than red, and if they are not eaten in time, they turn "bad" in a different way. More of a slime on the cut part than actually rotting as fruit and veggies should do. None of the produce that I purchase seems to 'go bad' or rot the same way as my grown produce. So people buying fresh produce to make their own food are being zinged as well. I did some research years ago to turn my plot of land into an organic garden. We currently grow hay in the back and I have several acres that could make a great garden. There were many hurdles and loops to go through in order to be a certified organic gardener-but it was for the good of all, right? I spent a full winter season getting info, looking at forms to be CERTIFIED, etc, etc I would have needed to follow sooooo many guidlines, ensure that nothing was sprayed in the surrounding farms-so to grow 10 acres of veggies, I would need to own over 100+ acres of land to ensure nothing was sprayed around it, and the paper work involved was more time consuming than the needed gardening hours. I opted out of this idea, now I read that "oganic" is different and it seems like the guidlines have changed drastically. ----- "If you are not certified, you must not make any organic claim on the principal display panel or use the USDA organic seal anywhere on the package*. You may only, on the information panel, identify the certified organic ingredients as organic and the percentage of organic ingredients. *Some operations are exempt from certification, including organic farmers who sell $5,000 or less.------ This was from the usda.gov link you listed above. There are several ways to get around this and many small organic farmer's market booths will get around it. My point is that some people are selling organic in small vendor like places, that are not. I also ran into this same scenrio when I researched raising organic vs farm fresh poultry for sale to others. I now raise poultry for our use, and other family members only.
Nov. 8, 2012 8:28 am
I will get back to the discussion in a minute but wanted to add a link that you might find helpful. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/10/02/magazine/29mag-food-issue.html?ref=magazine#/pollan
Nov. 8, 2012 8:40 am
truly, B'Nana, I am not meaning to argue or disagree with you, just looking at it from another perspective:) I beat a drum as well-maybe mine are the bongos;D going to read the link now.
Nov. 8, 2012 8:41 am
I feel compelled to share this: http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/agbio-articles/myths.html
Nov. 8, 2012 8:42 am
I composed a crude picture for you, B'Nana. It passes a message for you. ... http://latelifelifestylepita2wife.wordpress.com/2012/11/
Nov. 8, 2012 8:43 am
Nov. 8, 2012 8:53 am
LMAO Mike Harvey!!! :)
Nov. 8, 2012 9:16 am
That is great Mike. :)
Nov. 8, 2012 9:40 am
LOL, Mike-the monkey meat arms has me worried:~/ I read the Pollan article and I must say that I agree with many points. Making decisions about what you are stuffing into your body, watching sodium and sugar levels, eating carbs and protein in moderation-(super)size on plate, not necessarily number of times per week, sedentary lifestyles, etc, etc. But IMHO so much money has been wasted on doing some ridiculous studies like how many eggs can you eat before you develop cancer, is coffee good for you, is it bad? Can a glass of wine with each meal lower cholesterol....blah blah blah. So many misinformed decisions have been based on what 'they' say, who are 'they'? Too much of wallstreet or young agressive scientists trying to get their name in a journal and government intervention has swayed the belief of what CAN be healthy and what is not. It takes reading a link like you posted for some common sense to stare us in the face and say Oh Wow, you got it! One thing that was very interesting is when people talk of the high price of organic food, yes part of that price really is what it costs to raise or grow it that way. But part of the cost goes to the gov't to regulate it. I could not advertise that I have free range chicken to eat and eggs to sell -legally. I am glad your throw up topics like this, it may only reach 1 person but that 1 person could change the way they live.
Nov. 8, 2012 9:50 am
If a group can produce a food that makes you sick, then another group can produce an alternative. Think of all the dollars in producing, advertising and research that are involved. It is an unending circle-the allergies to peanuts was just the beginning, now it is gluten, and dairy, soon it will be Vit C or something like that. Funny how foods we have eaten all our lives are now huge allergy triggers. Breads/gluten being the big one, every culture has used flour type bread over the centuries.
Nov. 8, 2012 12:42 pm
not to beat a dead horse over this, but just take a look at the pink campagne. They have taken a terrible disease, pulled at the average joe's heart strings for all the survivors and family, now look at how the corporations have taken it over via promos, advertising, etc, etc. I know this is a whole other topic, but our food chain, GMO's, toxins, healthy food vs fast food is all intertwined.
Nov. 8, 2012 1:07 pm
RNG: I couldn't agree with you more about those Pink Ribbon Products - and everyone else, I will get back to you later today - got salads to make and bread to bake. But I appreciate the comments.
Nov. 8, 2012 4:26 pm
Pink ribbons. I wanted to bit... er ... blog about that transgression.
Nov. 8, 2012 7:47 pm
I will have to go back and read everything that has been cited here. I do think we 37 supporters have made an impression, and this better darned well come up on the next ballot! I think it will pass. This is such a multi-layered problem because of how food is concocted. Research will finally tell us one day that WHOA! It's the FOOD causing all the problems with health issues. Big surprise! My whole family knows. My 10-year-old granddaughter called me the night before the election and was concerned about Prop 37! We WILL get there!
Nov. 8, 2012 9:25 pm
I am so tired - I should be heading to bed, but I just have to say a couple of things - 1st - Marianne, there is hope that we will get this passed, eventually. Your granddaughter's concern is telling....this will not die on the vine.
Nov. 8, 2012 9:33 pm
Merlion - I don't want to ignore you - but the link you sent us to was from 2000 - 2001, more resent research shows very different opinions. "If they were to grow a GM Bt crop then they would get insecticide for free and be able to produce more food. In this way can GM food help feed the poor." There is mounting proof that the GM bt crops ingested by humans kills the good flora in our colons. Causing leaky gut syndrome, food allergies and malnutrition.
Nov. 8, 2012 9:36 pm
Not to mention that no other country wants our GM seeds or imports.
Nov. 9, 2012 5:33 am
Oh for once, I'm soooo lucky to live in Europe whee GMO's are not allowed in foods for humans! Get me right: I have nothing against the technique but when profit is involved, logic or plain commun sense are too often put aside. Keep fighting: food is our most precious capital, our ancestors have died building it up through trials and errors.
Nov. 9, 2012 6:32 am
Great topic and well written blog, Baking Nana! I am disappointed that Prop 37 did not pass; hopefully it will be on the ballot again soon and in many other states as well. How many more of these rare diseases do we need to discover before the connection is made to the GMOs and chemicals we are using?
Nov. 9, 2012 7:53 am
Doridar - I know that Europe has managed to not be bought by the chemical companies - to bad they own the food supply of North America. I hope that Europe continues to send them packing.
Nov. 9, 2012 8:44 am
Monsanto spent millions fighting accurate labeling on our food. Pres. Obama said he was committed to labeling GMO's during his 2008 campaign and then appointed former Monsanto executives to the FDA and USDA. The money trail leads to the White House where, by the way, only organic/non-gmo foods are used. The EU will not buy our food and meat because it is GMO, Hillary Clinton has negotiated a trade deal to sell "our organics" to THEM. Contact the White House, your senators and congressmen and governors. There is ample research out there. I found published research from the EU, Australia, New Zealand and even China. We can do this if we stick together.
Nov. 9, 2012 10:36 am
I was so very disappointed in the defeat of Prop 37 but that just makes me more determined to educate people and to buy local and organic and non-gmo labeled food. I truly believe that the next time this issue is raised we will win. Until then, it's my personal mission to spread the word. Excellent post, Baking Nana. Let's never give up. (I personally believe there is a link to the bees dying out and if that happens, we won't have to worry about our food source--there won't be any.)
Nov. 9, 2012 11:41 am
jmljmejmp - You are right, Monsanto has a foot hold in Washington and has for over 20 years. If the federal government won't do anything, the states must. To be quite honest, it is time for the eaters of this country to get their heads out of the feed bucket and learn the real facts about our 'food' supply. Too many people really don't understand the clear and present danger.
Nov. 9, 2012 11:42 am
(We don't drink pop) but I found it interesting when a while back I found out that all beet sugar (unless organic) was not GM. Soon after finding that out I passed the pop isle and saw on the label "Now made with real sugar!" I couldn't believe it! Instead of high fructose corn syrup now you can have genetically modified sugar in your pop! Sadly it seems most people don't know anything about it or don't seem to care.
Nov. 9, 2012 11:43 am
Sorry, I meant all beet sugar WAS NOW GM.
Nov. 9, 2012 11:45 am
KATSINTHEKITCHEN - As it stands right now there is less than 600,000 votes that separate the No from the Yes votes yet there are still millions of votes that have not been counted. Let us hope that there are enough YES votes to turn this around. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants! I check the results daily but the election officials have until Dec 7th to finalize the election. Hoping for a miracle here.....
Nov. 9, 2012 11:48 am
blessedhomekeeper - isn't that sad. Yep - Real (GMO) sugar. You are right, most people don't know and many don't care to know. Too scary to think this could be true.....
Nov. 9, 2012 11:53 am
Momi - We need to continue to educate people and keep beating the drum.
Nov. 9, 2012 1:29 pm
I checked some sugar that my sister gave me. All it says is 100 % sugar. There is nothing else on the label indicating from what or where it come from. I know where she got it, at the cheapest place possible that doesn't always have decent quality food. Up the line, I saw someone say contact our reps and senators. I agree but if they don't do anything vote with our wallets and find local sources. People like me need a place where we can offer what we grow in exchange for help in the gardens. It would be a tiny drop in the bucket but I traded Asian pears grown without pesticides or herbicides for 2 hours worth of weeding. I'd be willing to trade more if I could just find the people who would actually come help.
Nov. 9, 2012 3:40 pm
I am 61 and I grew up at a time in Iowa when every family had a garden, even though both parents worked outside the home. No one was on a diet and no one was obese. I am so encouraged to read that people across the country are learning about the importance of eating organic. Cat Hill, your use of the barter system is great. I hope it expands for you. Things are changing and we need to support each other. My sister lives near a pharmacist who gave up his profession to raise Galloway beef naturally and his cattle are sold before they reach maturity. All by word of mouth. State by state we will win this and create a healthier life for children and grandchildren. I love what you said BakingNana about getting our heads out of the feed bucket. It's time we take responsibility for our health. We pay the farmer now, or the pharmacist later.
Nov. 9, 2012 5:18 pm
Cat - call the 1-800 number ask about the source of the sugar - from what I can gather (wouldn't labeling be more sensible, than guessing) the only sugar you can count on being non GMO is Pure Cane Sugar. Remind me to contact those companies and thank them - I in turn will thank them with my $$$.
Nov. 9, 2012 5:40 pm
Here's a statement from Heinz regarding their attitude regarding GMOs. It's interesting in that it says Heinz will not markey GMO's where public opinion is against it. ... Statement on Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO): As a global leader in food safety, Heinz and our affiliates globally strive to use ingredients that are not from GMO sources whenever possible. In the case of tomatoes and potatoes, we do not allow the use of GM-bred seeds for Heinz raw materials. Our tomatoes, for example, are grown from natural hybrid HeinzSeed, which is not genetically modified. Heinz has implemented a policy that prohibits the use of ingredients from GMO sources in regions where such use is not approved by regulatory authority. Heinz also refrains from using GMO ingredients in markets where consumers have expressed low acceptance of foods with GMO ingredients. Overall, our food safety systems are designed to ensure quality and consumer protection. The ingredients we source meet strict criteria for food safety and comply with local and regional regulatory requirements. Heinz recognizes worldwide customers’ differing views, concerns and perceptions about GMOs, and we will continue to be responsive to changes in consumer expectations and comply with regulatory and labeling requirements."
Nov. 9, 2012 5:42 pm
Nov. 9, 2012 6:12 pm
What a great blog BN! I started reading it on my lunch break and it was just all too much to take in. Had stop back and read it again. Thanks for all the good information.
Nov. 9, 2012 6:29 pm
jmljmejmp - If you get a chance, read Cat Hills blog. We do need to support each other - spread the message & educate those who have never known anything but the 'fast food' life.
Nov. 9, 2012 6:36 pm
Wow Mike, that is telling, isn't it. They can do non GMO IF they are asked (required to do so) What is interesting is at Costco today I noticed the Heinz products - several of them with new labels (Surprised about those labels - you know they are VERY costly) indicating a healthy new product. I looked & neither label said 'Non GMO' I will have to do more reading on this.
Nov. 10, 2012 5:11 am
jmljmejmp, my blog "Who would want to WWOOF in MO, USA?" is the Baking Nana is referring to.
Nov. 10, 2012 5:13 am
Baking Nana, I still can't believe I didn't know that about sugar and I thank you for the info1 There is a ? on the board this morning, beet sugar is GMO correct? If so, is that the same beet they use for fodder? For everything I know I feel there are 50 things I don't know but learning is good! Keeps our minds lively!
Nov. 10, 2012 5:24 am
Beet sugar, is almost always GMO Cat. I recently read a good article about it, let me see if I can find it.
Nov. 10, 2012 5:39 am
Nov. 10, 2012 6:32 am
I am going through my pantry and emailing every company whose product I purchase asking if it is non GMO. I can let you know as I hear back from them. Currently, I've only gotten a reply from Fearn. Their liquid lecithin cannot be certified non GMO. So, if you can find a non GMO lecithin (anybody) I would love to know about it.
Nov. 10, 2012 6:38 am
Apparently mice don't like gmo's either. http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/may08/farmers_non-GM_corn.php . . .mice are smarter than humans? Michigan is also starting a campaign to have their GMO foods labeled.
Nov. 10, 2012 6:40 am
Good idea LS - I did hear back from Sprouts - Corporate double talk, neither a yes or a no, so I would assume that means that their processed products do contain GMOs or they simply don't know.
Nov. 10, 2012 6:44 am
LS - check Bob's Red Mill for lecithin.
Nov. 10, 2012 6:45 am
That is the issue, isn't it? If it's not labelled HOW can we know?? grrrr!!!
Nov. 10, 2012 6:46 am
Thanks B'Nana! I will! :)
Nov. 10, 2012 10:19 am
Wow, I never thought about the GF person consuming more corn products and the connection to more GMO's. Hubby has been gluten free for years now...thanks for the needed info. Sad the $ is more important than peoples health. Great blog, thanks!
Nov. 10, 2012 10:38 am
Does Argentina require GMO food labeling? I was reading that Argentina does produce GM corn - I thought they also require labeling, but I could be mistaken. Thanks for stopping in.
Nov. 10, 2012 1:14 pm
Fabulous article Baking Nana! As a Fitness Specialist and Health Educator you speak directly to me! It is our obligation and challenge to get the word spread far and wide about the dis-functional food system in America and ways to heal it. Unfortunately, as pointed out many times, the US government is not on this bandwagon. The FDA, USDA, EPA, ADA and other government programs originally designed to protect the American people are totally corrupt, dis-functional and bought out by big-money lobbyist corporations like Monsanto. So we the people will get this job done. And I am confident that we will eventually win! Let's do this!!!
Nov. 10, 2012 2:47 pm
Thanks for stopping in Elizabeth. It really is up to us, who 'get it' to help educate those that don't understand. I find it more than disheartening to hear educated people say things like, "Farmers have been genetically modifying food for centuries." Huh? I am currently working with two families - one has a boy, 10 years old, with Type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol. (How sad is that?) Much of my work involves not just cooking healthy food for the family but educating them on how to feed themselves. (Keep the eggs - loose the Hot Pockets and frozen pizzas) I will keep banging the drum, we will win - we must win! This should not be a political issue - it is a matter of survival.
Nov. 10, 2012 5:38 pm
Keep the eggs that came from happy healthy chickens,but skip the stuff that you can't pronounce! If mice can decide what is best why can't we?
Nov. 10, 2012 9:23 pm
Yes Baking Nana! Especially the delicious eggs from our local farmer's market. And of course farmers have been genetically modifying food for centuries, the good old fashioned Mendelian way (I studied Mendelian genetics during my undergrad Biochemistry studies) - it's called hybridizing and has nothing to do with splicing genes or using bacteria to get inside the plant's DNA. We will continue to Fight the Good Fight!
Nov. 10, 2012 9:35 pm
I love Trader Joes too and one of the products we buy from there does contain beet sugar. Thanks for the heads-up about beet sugar! I just bought the same product from TJ within the last 2 weeks.
Nov. 10, 2012 9:41 pm
This is the Trader Joe's product I'm talking about. I buy it for my Nana all the time too! You'll see beet sugar is listed as one of the ingredients. We started buying them because my daughter is casein intolerant and they are a dairy free treat she enjoyed. Again, thanks for the research. I'd love your thoughts about the product. Thanks! 
Nov. 10, 2012 10:57 pm
jodimome - Not all Beet Sugar is GMO - most, but not all. It is what I would call a suspect ingredient - but so is soy bean oil. I would contact Trader Joe's and ask them. They are very responsive and will go the distance to help you. In the mean time - I will do a little searching and see what I can find out.
Nov. 11, 2012 9:20 am
Hello, I thought perhaps I might offer a slightly different point of view. I AM a young scientist. I work in agriculture and conduct field research on experimental pesticides and biotech (Genetically engineered) crops. I'm from Canada, and in some respects we have tighter restrictions on pesticide and GE use, but I'm still disappointed that your prop 37 didn't pass. As someone who will play a part in the future of agriculture, I think it's important that consumers are aware of their options. But more importantly, I think it's important for consumers to UNDERSTAND what they're being offered. In that way I have to say that labeling a package as containing GE product is a start, but it is not enough. GMOs are not all created equally. There is a huge fundamental difference between altering a crop to produce its own toxin, and altering a crop to make it less susceptible to the cold, or to drought, or any other of a million different possibilities. In addition, the way in which these crops are created makes a big difference in their associated level of risk. Although some may disagree, I think that there are also times when genetically engineered crops might be necessary. Someone mentioned GE papayas from Hawaii...these papayas were introduced because the crop was being completely wiped out by a disease that could not be sustainably controlled. If your options as a grower are huge amounts of pesticides, genetically engineered disease resistance, or having your livelihood wiped out, what would you choose? It's also important to remember that organic is not synonymous with safety. As one small example, consider sulphur used as a certified organic alternative for fungicides. Organic sulphur has a greater tendency to bind lead than synthetic sulphur (which is NOT a certified alternative). This lead is translocated INTO the plant tissue, where no amount of washing will remove it. I can tell you scientifically sound horror stories on both fronts. I understand that many people will never see a benefit to anything genetically altered, but consider that this may not be a matter of which side is right, but a delicate balancing act of the lesser of evils. Do we accept the loss of large percentages of our crops to pests? Do we accept the loss of entire species to disease? Do we use pesticides to reduce the losses knowing we will never have the generation times necessary to assess their true effect on human health? Do we splice genes in an effort to reduce losses AND pesticide usage knowing we can't fully predict the outcome? We have almost 7 billion people to feed. That's a lot of pressure, and there is no right answer. So now that I've gone on my tirade, know that there is at least one young scientist who understands the implications on both sides. I have to eat too, only I have to do it knowing EXACTLY what it is I'm eating.
Nov. 11, 2012 10:34 am
Very well said Tania161. You raise some very valid points.
Nov. 11, 2012 3:01 pm
France just completed a huge study and discovered a direct correlation between GMO corn and the development of mass tumors and kidney & liver failure (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/12911-france-reponds-to-study-of-gmos-that-show-links-to-tumors-and-organ-damage); Based on these findings, Russia is now banning GMO products (Monsanto in particular) and is iniating lawsuits against several of their growers.
Nov. 12, 2012 3:14 am
Tania161, you bring up some very good points. I don't object to the science. I object to having my food adulterated behind my back. I do not believe all GMO's are safe for consumption. The point is TELL the consumer.
Nov. 12, 2012 5:51 am
Tania161 Thank you for your input. You really said it best when you said, "I have to do it knowing EXACTLY what it is I'm eating." Without labeling we are left guessing. I have reading about the development of GM bananas to combat diseases and blight that have affected about 30% of Uganda’s annual banana harvest. Bananas are everything in Uganda where they are consumed for breakfast, lunch and dinner. As with every subject there is always at least two sides. With all the labeling requirements already in place, to label GM ingredients just makes sense.
Nov. 12, 2012 5:53 am
Litegal - Although I have not read the French study itself, I have been reading articles about the report. ( http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/12911-france-reponds-to-study-of-gmos-that-show-links-to-tumors-and-organ-damage ) It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Europe.
Nov. 12, 2012 6:04 am
Lady Sparkle - Like you, I can't believe that we don't have the right to know how our food is produced. It is going to be interesting to see if this "right to know" movement will prevail.
Nov. 12, 2012 9:28 am
Please beware of Trader Joes. They did not support the prop 37, in fact, they gave monies against it along with a whole lot of brands i used to enjoy. The two I was suprised were Kashi and Cascadian Farms. Both these retailers use all natural and organic as a backbone to their business but fought against labeling gmo? I have not purchased any of those brands since. It really makes me angry we are lied to every day!
Nov. 12, 2012 9:34 am
Teener - A lot of the organic brands are owned by the Big Guys, Kelloggs, General Mills etc.. Natures Path is still independently owned and supported Prop 37. I will check the list of donors again, but I didn't see Trader Joe's listed - at the same time I don't think either Whole Foods or Trader Joe's donated toward it either. Like you, the deception really makes me angry.
Nov. 12, 2012 11:17 am
Cat Hill: I lived for 50 yrs in CA (all my life) before retiring out of state. CA IS progressive but there's MUCH corruption in elections. People misrepresenting the petitions for bills and people sign it, not knowing it is illegal to do mislead voters. Lots of shenanigans and it's the most expensive state to launch a campaign in so it was outspent. But we've just started, we will get this stuff labeled!
Nov. 12, 2012 11:21 am
There is a good study here:
images of rat's tumors here:
There's your evidence of tumors, spread it far and wide.
Nov. 12, 2012 11:24 am
Personally I don't think enough people really care about what is in their food. Walk around the grocery store and look at all the processed foods you see in shoppers carts.
Nov. 12, 2012 12:01 pm
forestlady - Thanks for stopping in and for the links. I knew that Prop 37 has going to have a hard time. But I was hopeful that people would see past the confusing ads and lies. Not this time, but we will get this done. We need to keep spreading the word & put pressure on our elected officials.
Nov. 12, 2012 12:05 pm
Koriekiss - I am not sure if people don't care but they certainly don't want to know. If it is sitting on a shelf, in a pretty package, it must be OK. Right? Wrong! At least with labeling people who do care could make an informed choice and others might start to ask them right questions.
Nov. 12, 2012 12:11 pm
I had to be away for a few days (hubby is retired Marine and there was a weekend full of activities for the Corps birthday and Veteran's Day) but I am so encouraged by what I have read here that I remain convinced that sooner or later we'll prevail and food will be labeled. Every major movement has had setbacks but eventually, when the majority become aware, the proper steps are taken and can no longer be undermined. Thankfully, the Internet makes this more possible than ever before so let's all keep spreading the news and fighting for what's right. Thanks again for such a timely and informative blog, Baking Nana!
Nov. 12, 2012 12:26 pm
Kat - Thanks for stopping in again & please thank your hubby for his service. You are correct - if this were an easy battle labeling would already be in place - it is a cause that is worth fighting for.
Nov. 12, 2012 12:57 pm
For those of you in Washington state, they are collecting signatures to get labeling on the ballot in Washington. For more information Go to http://www.labelitwa.org/
Nov. 12, 2012 3:29 pm
I hope there's another try down the road and that other states follow. I was disappointed when I saw it failed, but it barely failed. That shows people want to know, and the food industry manufacturing icons need to sit up and take notice. I shop at an organic market where some prices are higher and some are lower. I will continue to shop there as long as I am able to so that I can avoid GMO's as long as I can. Another great blog, Baking Nana.
Nov. 12, 2012 7:33 pm
Well, personally, I'm glad that Prop 37 didn't pass. I consider myself a die-hard environmentalist and am extremely concerned about the quality of our food/air/water/etc., and I go out of my way to feed my family organic (especially foods on EWG's "Dirty Dozen" list). But I honestly don't understand the fear that people have about GMOs. I have a background in molecular and cellular bio/genetics, and GMOs just don't bother me. I feel like the fear is unwarranted. A gene is a gene, and if you could consume its products from one organism then what's the harm in consuming them from another organism? Could someone please point me in the direction of some solid studies that have shown GMOs to be dangerous -- like, a truly credible source?
Nov. 13, 2012 6:15 am
To quote Representative Dennis Kuncinich "In 1992 the Food and Drug Administration decided that genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are the functional equivalent of conventional foods. They arrived at this decision without testing GMOs for allergenicity, toxicity, anti-biotic resistance and functional characteristics. As a result hundreds of millions of acres of GMO crops were planted in America without the knowledge or consent of the American people: no safety testing and no long term health studies." We, our children and grandchildren are the lab rats. Like I said, I have no proof but I have seen a rise in allergies, autism, digestive problems that we rarely heard about 20 years ago. Given a choice, which we were not, do you think the majority of people would willing eat a corn product that makes it's own pesticide? If they have nothing to hide, label it and let us choose.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:42 am
Baking Nana, I thought Tania161 had a thoughtful comment in response to your blog. Having just read the article about the French study, I have to wonder why a seed must be engineered to be "ready" for the herbicide. According to the article, rats that ate that engineered seed and drank water with U.S. approved levels of that herbicide died or had tumors at a much, much higher level than the control group. Again, it makes me wonder if rats have trouble with the product what is it doing to us? With such scientific knowledge why can't a way be found lessen the environmental impact. Of course, that might mean Monsanto wouldn't be selling as much herbicide and where would the profit be in that?
Nov. 13, 2012 7:16 am
If the GMO seeds are unique enough to be patented, then they are unique enough to be labeled! Period.
Nov. 13, 2012 7:18 am
Here is an article from the Scientific American, which discusses the French study and sent questions to the French researchers on this study and shows their response. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rat-study-sparks-furor-over-genetically-modified-foods
Nov. 13, 2012 7:46 am
Here's another interesting article from the perspective of Public Health. With regard to prop 37, "there’s only one thing both sides can agree on: The science on GMO health effects is inconclusive. “It’s really a value-laden decision. How do you act in the face of scientific uncertainty?” said Patrice Sutton, MPH, a researcher with UCSF’s Program on Reproductive Health and the Environment (PRHE), which works through research, clinical care and public policy to prevent exposures of harmful chemicals in the environment. “From a public health perspective, there’s a general principle that you would have people be able to decide for themselves.” For people to decide for themselves, then there would need to be labeling. See the full article here: http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/11/13058/genetically-modified-food-labeling-through-lens-public-health
Nov. 13, 2012 9:46 am
JessE - did you read Tania's comment above? She works in the field and certainly has a much better understanding than I do. Even understanding and supporting the industry, she would prefer labeling. I find it interesting that the burden of proof seems to be on proving that GMO's are dangerous rather than proving that they are safe, through independent long term studies. We have stickers labeling country of origin, we have labels for farm raised vs wild caught seafood. Why not let us choose GMO or not?
Nov. 13, 2012 9:55 am
Thanks for sharing this. I have become, as many of my friends, very passionate about labeling GMO's and trying my hardest to explain why to ones who do not want to know what is in their food. I truly feel like it is a huge chunk of laziness on the part of those that are not educated on GMO's. I think they get scared because if they knew what was in their food then they would change their diet and change seems to scare the hell out of people. It would take effort, time and money all of which most people do not have/want to do so they in turn just ignore it. UGH!!!
Nov. 13, 2012 10:36 am
afwifey - Thanks for stopping in. You are right, some people just don't want to know, it goes against the grain to believe this has happened. Honestly though, it sounds more & more like a bad science fiction novel. GMO's are now in almost all our processed foods and we are a fast food, instant gratification type of society. Keep spreading the word - eventually it will sink in.
Nov. 13, 2012 1:39 pm
Check out this article on baby food / formula. We should be outraged. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/04/01/gmo-infant-formula.aspx
Nov. 13, 2012 4:21 pm
Hi! Unfortunately I have reason to know (as someone who has two children with developmental problems) that there are all *sorts* of theories as to what might cause these things. They range from plastics in the water, to too much soy in our diet, to viruses and the aging of couples who conceive. I don't really think we really need yet another public health scare, causing consumers to have to spend even *more* on food, until we have good science to back it up. I think that if people want to play it safe and spend more to get NON GMO and organic food, go for it. Also, GMO food has the potential to solve very real nutritional problems in other countries, and save countless lives. The jury's still out on this, and it deserves a reasoned public debate.
Nov. 13, 2012 4:39 pm
Hi MTB, I agree that there are many contributing issues. First of all, let me say, I, nor was Prop 37 asking for a ban on GMO's - merely labeling, like the nutrition information, allergens. Nothing more. Without labeling, consumers are left in the dark, to guess and yes, spend more on organic products than need be. I do believe there is a place for GMO research but as it stands today, GMOs are not feeding the world - they are making junk food cheap and lining the pockets of Big Argri-business. The copious amounts of Round Up used on Round Up ready corn surely isn't helping the problem and maybe making our water more toxic than it needs to be. This blog isn't a scare tactic - it is designed to get people to look at what we are being sold. I believe that GMO's are a part of that equation.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:46 pm
"I have no scientific proof that there is a link.. [..] I do believe there is a connection." Followed by the description of two incidents that show no relation to your claims whatsoever, yet are presented as being caused by GMOs. Then there's a statement where you have absolutely no scientific claims for backup, or any description at all as to why this will happen. "I do believe that eventually a link will be established between GMO's and these diseases / disorders." The fact that other things were regarded as 'safe' but are labeled as 'a health hazard' nowadays stands very far from the argument itself. 'Something similar' =/= the product you're so adamantly against, so it will never make it as a valid comparison. I'm all for awareness, but I just can't take someone who makes wild assumptions and frightens people into believing they are being poisoned WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE seriously. If you had solid backup, research and actual evidence that these incidents, these diseases and disorders you mentioned are factually caused by GMOs, I'd give thumbs up. As it stands, this article uses fright tactics to scare people into doing something - whether that is buying different food, or taking political actions - and that is something I do not approve of under any circumstances. No matter if it's beneficial, you are not being honest and presenting false claims to your readers. (Not to mention that your article is littered with grammatical errors that make me question how reliable your claims can even be in the first place.) There are better ways to make people understand a potential threat. Acting like the media and blowing something out of proportion without evidence, and false claims is not one of those ways. This approach only hurts your cause and pushes anyone who might help you away. And no, I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right. I'm just very annoyed and bothered by the way you're trying to make people understand, because it's the wrong way to do it.
Nov. 13, 2012 7:35 pm
TheLoveCube - I am not a professional writer - I am a consumer, mother, grandmother and a private chef who works with people to improve their health through food. (Most of my clients suffer from diseases that could be corrected with the proper diet) I write from the heart - sorry you find my "grammatical" errors offensive. We are asking for a choice. To not be kept in the dark about how our food arrives in those pretty packages with claims of "All Natural" when indeed it is Genetically Modified and not disclosed. Why has are kids getting allergies and illnesses that we didn't see 15 - 20 years ago? It has to be environmental. Why do you find it threatening to know what your food is made from? Is it too scary to think that we are the lab rats? Do you not what a choice? Why is it that Big Food is willing to spend $50 million to defeat LABELING - not a ban, just a label? More importantly, why would not want to know what is in their food? We weren't told about these GM products when they were foist upon us - now we have to battle to have that information disclosed. Personally, I know too many people, many of them very young dealing with mysterious disabling ailments. If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you want a choice?
Nov. 13, 2012 7:40 pm
LoveCube. Shall we look at the track record? Asbestiosis. . .after (yay! An awesome new building material. . . FIREPROOF! Insect resistant. . .add 40 or 50 year of use) How about shortening? Most wonderful for those pastries and cookies and fried chicken. Oh, and then we have The Love Canal ( we'll just dump these chemicals whadaya say? ) Now, like greedy predators. . .let's fool with these crops and see if we can't get them to be more pest and disease resistant? How could that possibly hurt anyone?
Nov. 13, 2012 7:41 pm
Oh and Lovecube - if you were to do some reading you would discover that independent research on GMO's has been impossible. Why? Patents, trade secrets. On one hand we are told they are safe, on the other we are told that they are not available for independent testing. These GMO seeds are registered with the EPA as a pesticide and indeed produce their own internal pesticides - but they are 'safe' for the consumer. On top of that we are not given the information to avoid them. PLUS we are subsidizing these crops through the farm bill - our tax dollars at work.
Nov. 13, 2012 7:48 pm
Forgive me for my typos and my grammatical errors. Typing too fast and there is no way to edit after posting. I think you get my message. Like it or not, we have a right to know what our food is made from.
Nov. 13, 2012 8:38 pm
Just so you know, I have been beating this drum for years.... see my blog from 2010 http://allrecipes.com/cook/bakingnana/blogentry.aspx?postid=168754
Nov. 13, 2012 8:41 pm
Nov. 13, 2012 9:02 pm
TheLoveCube, you state "And no, I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right. I'm just very annoyed and bothered by the way you're trying to make people understand, because it's the wrong way to do it." Since you state that this is the "wrong" way to present this information, please enlighten us with an example of the the "right" way to present the case for labeling GMO foods?
Nov. 14, 2012 10:54 am
Let me chime in on this too! What exactly is Baking Nana trying to make us understand? We aren't forced to read her blog. She is offering information which she believes in and wants to share so others can make an informed choice about what they eat. People with peanut allergies need their food labeled so why can't those of us who want to know what is in our food know what ours contains?
Nov. 14, 2012 11:48 am
Agree Cat hill. Where's the "Like" button? We need one of those like on Facebook.
Nov. 14, 2012 12:05 pm
We do don't we, Occasional Cooker :)
Nov. 14, 2012 1:49 pm
I wish we did have a "like" button. Thank you for your support. I know it is like preaching to the choir most of the time. Sometimes subjects like this hit a little close to home and make people uncomfortable. Maybe, just maybe a couple more people will take a closer look and learn a little more. Bottom line, we speak with our $$$.
Nov. 14, 2012 2:08 pm
I admit there's no way I can read all these comments though I'd like to, but this was obviously done by disinformation. The voters have to research EVERYTHING on the ballot. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, though. If it says "organic", read the labels, it's non GMO..
Nov. 14, 2012 3:44 pm
ktr2567 - It is amazing what $50 million can buy in air time to sway public opinion. The vote is not final yet - still millions of votes to add to the count with less than 600,000 vote difference. I am not expecting Prop 37 to suddenly pass - it would be nice though. You are right, everyone needs to do their own research.
Nov. 14, 2012 5:37 pm
You also don't get to know the name and race of the farmer who handled your food. Both are about as informative and relevant as the fact that it is GMO.
Nov. 14, 2012 6:11 pm
mrbrendanobrien - Interesting - I don't care about the race or the name of the farmer ( although I do know some of my farmers, for that I am thankful for.) Feel free to eat all the GMO foods you and your family can, if you are able to identify them, you can have my share. I prefer to have a choice - I might not personally know the farmer that grows my food, but I thank those farmers that to work everyday to produce our food. Shame on you, mrbrendanobrien, for ever bringing race into this.
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Every morning my granddaughter calls and says, "Good morning Nana. Whatcha doing? Are you baking Nana?" Hence my name, Baking Nana. I love to bake bread and never get tired of it. Yeast is additive! Visit me at BakingNana.com If you would like to contact me directly please use the 'Contact Me' on my site. http://bakingnana.com/contact-me/
My favorite things to cook
I go through phases, Asian for a while then Italian then on to something else. I love experimenting with new flavors and different spices. Some times my husband will ask if we will ever have "ordinary" food again. Once in a while I have to toss him a burger just to keep quite! Actually, he is a good sport and my favorite taste tester.
My favorite family cooking traditions
In our family if it is your birthday you get to choose the menu. We have had some really interesting meals. In March we have 5 birthdays so we do one big party - what a crazy menu that is! Christmas dinner is very traditional. Sausage rolls, Prime Rib, Yorkshire Pudding, gravy, Green beans with bacon, Mashed Potatoes (the really fattening kind) and trifle for dessert. If I were to dare to omit any of those items I would be lynched.
My cooking triumphs
Mastering really great bread is probably my biggest triumph. I am always so pleased when I create a perfect Asian dish.
My cooking tragedies
There have been a few but none so horrible that I can't laugh about them now.
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