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Apr. 26, 2013 12:49 pm 
Updated: May 3, 2013 7:27 pm
I am so proud of both of my girls. They are doing well in school and extracurricular activities. They are polite to everyone, but not push overs. My youngest has even been offered a job at the local health club helping with swimming instruction. She would aid the main instructor. How cool is that? She is very excited. We spoke to the main instructor, and he gave her paper work to fill out and take to her school. Apparently they need to approve her for work. Mind you, this is for after school hours. It is not a work release program!

I thought it over and I just can't figure this out. My 16 year old daughter can go out and get a job without my approval or knowledge, but the school has to sign off on it? Does anyone else see a problem with this? My kids both think I am a nutter over this. They don't understand yet what being a parent is. I think the state wants it that way.

I'm not going to let this be. I need some clarification from the school about this situation. Perhaps I am misinformed. Maybe I don't understand what is going on here. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until the facts are spread out. God help us all if I actually am interpreting this correctly. Parents are irrelevant. It takes a village to raise a child. (My flaccid, chubby backside!)

Edit: The form that the school sends to the work place does require the parents signature. My righteous ire has been assuaged.
Apr. 26, 2013 1:02 pm
When the need for the school to sign off came about back when children were being forced to work ungodly hours for little money in horrible conditions. When school was made mandatory alot of crazy stuff went on the books to help protect kids and promote education. It was felt that by having the school sign off it was a way to control how much and what type of work a child does.
Apr. 26, 2013 1:10 pm
I would be curious also, but I think the rules, or whatever they are called are different in Canada. Don't know for sure but would like to know.
Apr. 26, 2013 1:14 pm
I am not a progressive liberal. I can't fathom cutting the parent out of the loop. It is wrong. I'm responsible for my child's welfare. Not a bureaucrat. Still need to talk to the school. It will be on my Monday to do list!
Apr. 26, 2013 1:16 pm
I'm starting to wish I had home schooled my kids.
Apr. 26, 2013 1:19 pm
take the bill for her clothes and food with you since they want to take the place of the parent.
Apr. 26, 2013 1:25 pm
Funny, KingSparta! How's your back?
Apr. 26, 2013 1:53 pm
LOL Doc I worked for Wawa and we required the parents consent as well as the school papers so I thought it was that way all over this state?
Apr. 26, 2013 2:01 pm
My hackles would not have gotten up had I seen some indication that the parent was involved in some way. Maybe they are and I haven't seen it yet. I'm going to miss WaWa. All we have in Minnesota is 7-Eleven and Kwik-Trip, and I refuse to give my patronage to a business that chooses not to spell correctly.
Apr. 26, 2013 2:08 pm
What is WaWa? is, hope you get some answers on Monday.
Apr. 26, 2013 2:46 pm
Manella Wawa is 7/11 on steroids
Apr. 26, 2013 2:59 pm
Hi Doc! Congrats on being AR's COW. You're a joy to have around the Buzz! Now look, I will not get into a political discussion with you or any other friends on the Buzz as I don't find a cooking forum the appropriate place for such discussions. I will state with careful certainty that, as an extremely involved elementary school volunteer, our school has a 65% high risk factor in our student population, coming from working poor families burdened by strung out parents, neglect and worse. Education is a child's first "job" and unfortunately some don't agree. Please research for yourself your state's and the federel laws regarding underage work permits. Research their origins, importance and need for such laws and regulations. For parents that are active participants in their children's lives, I commend you. Nobody's trying to usurp your parental rights, Doc. Educating ourselves relieves the fear.
Apr. 26, 2013 3:11 pm
Doc Simonson, It feels like someone has there knee pushing into my back. I guess that is better than It use to feel like a 12 inch knife in my back like it did two weeks ago. I Can't stand for very long before I have to sit down.
Apr. 26, 2013 3:17 pm
Joey Joan, I like WaWa's I wish we had a few down here in NC, I may go home to New Jersey soon, and normally the first place I go to is Wawa for an Italian Hoagie.
Apr. 26, 2013 3:20 pm
Thanks for the answer Joey Joan.Mystery solved.
Apr. 26, 2013 3:46 pm
Cathy well said
Apr. 26, 2013 3:52 pm
Manella I am not sure how to describe a Wawa it is a convenience store, deli, gas station, ATM and bathroom break. Very popular in New Jersey, eastern PA and some of VA, they are building in FLA now and King they are coming your way.
Apr. 26, 2013 4:31 pm
Joey Joan,they sound a lot like the Irving Big Stops we have around here,plus they have a restaurant.
Apr. 26, 2013 4:55 pm
shhhhhhh don't tell wawa that, they already tried drive through and dive in with skates.
Apr. 26, 2013 5:27 pm
Ha,we had one of those in town years ago.It lasted for a long time,but they tore the place down,so it is no more:(
Apr. 26, 2013 5:36 pm
Hi Doc, I'm not sure about the law in NJ, but in NY kids under the age of 16 have to have working papers. They get them at the school, which signs off that the hours will not conflict with mandated instruction and which also records the employer and stated hours. Once the student has the paper, the parent must also sign off on it. One copy is kept by the employer, one copy goes back to the school and one copy is retained by the student (or in my kids case, the student's mother). We had a funny adventure with paperwork when my son applied for a summer job at Taco Bell and they kept insisting he couldn't start work until he produced his green card. His father was not amused, to say the least. I thought it was hilarious since my son was about 6' tall and a green eyed blond, surfer looking kid. I finally went there with him and tried to explain to the manager that native born Americans did not need, nor in fact have green cards. She was obdurate. He finally decided he'd be happier working at the beach that summer.
Apr. 26, 2013 6:47 pm
New word for today: "obdurate", Adjective Stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or course of action. Synonyms obstinate - stubborn - headstrong - dogged - pertinacious
Apr. 26, 2013 8:55 pm
I am very happy to inform anyone who is interested that the work papers for my daughter do require a parent or guardians signature. This is a load off of my mind. When living in Minnesota as a teen, I did not have to have school approval to be able to work after school. In this case I can safely dismount from my high horse. :)
Apr. 26, 2013 9:07 pm
Cathy, Thank you for your calling me a COW. I didn't understand at first, then I recalled that someone else mentioned my resemblance to a bovine. I was pondering the possibility that people were hinting ever so gently that I was chock full of something or other when I chanced to come across the AR main page. Now I understand what makes me a COW. I think it would be fun to discuss things of a political nature, but face to face is better. Though we might end up throwing mini-marshmallows and stern looks at each other, I've no doubt that we would agree to disagree (be obdurate) or learn from each other. Either case would leave us friends.
Apr. 26, 2013 9:10 pm
BSM, I'm glad I didn't read that while the kids were awake. They worry so about my sanity when I chortle at the computer screen! That was a very funny story about your son!
Apr. 27, 2013 3:58 am
how exactly do you pronounce "obdurate"? thanks for the definition King. I like learning new things. A new word for scrabble.
Apr. 27, 2013 8:43 am
Working builds character. That's great your daughter is going to have a job. My son worked for a Paint Ball Facility when he was in high school. He also played high school baseball. During baseball season the Paint Ball Facility would give him time off to play which made him happy.
Apr. 27, 2013 9:56 am
Oh Doc, this sounds nutty indeed. We never needed the school to approve our jobs when we were kids. I think the parents ought to have the last say, and the school can give their input if they want, but they are not the decision makers here. It might be good if the school knew about the job, this way, if they see and slippage in grades or performance they would have the big picture. I hope this is not what we think, that the school has final say. I wonder what a lawyer would say about this.
Apr. 27, 2013 10:15 am
Lela, I agree. I have to. After all, I am quite a character! A kid working at a paint ball place? He must have been in heaven! School comes first, then extracurricular, then work.
Apr. 27, 2013 10:18 am
TheChrissyCook, as it turns out, the parents are not being edged out. There is a space on the form for a parent's signature and the instructions specifically say that the parent's signature must be included. I still have a problem with the school even needing to be involved, yet I understand that there are irresponsible parents out there. I'm just not sure what that has to do with how I parent.
Apr. 27, 2013 4:13 pm
doc, even if you homeschooled your kids they would still need a work permit from the local high school ( ask me how I know :) but what our high school does with them is monitors their grades and if their grades drop too low, they inform the employer that the student needs less hours, and the kid goes on "probation" academically/ with the employment. Our high school does not edge out parents at all, but they are a good authority "back up" for us. I am glad you have a great relationship with your kids, and they respect you and your authority, but I have seen teens who neither respect their parents, or even care to try and have a relationship with them..... it is nice that there is a "neutral" party that can bring in consequences if the teens make stupid decisions ( like not doing their homework)
Apr. 28, 2013 6:18 am
Christie, thanks for the well thought out comments. I do understand the "why" of the school involvement here, but I also still disagree that they need to be in the way that they are. There just isn't enough room to write out the full argument.
Apr. 30, 2013 2:42 pm
Personally, I think the school shouldn't have anything to do with it. This in my opinion is good old socialism where the goverment has more rights than you do to your child. YOU should had signed off and been asked before any agreement took place. 20 years ago that is the way it was. Now it's changed in order to raise your child because we are to dumb to do it ourselves, according to certain parties.
Apr. 30, 2013 4:30 pm
It's none of the school's business. Great to hear you're actually questioning something like this. Parents are giving up their rights far too easily, being fooled by "authorities" saying they must submit to any given policy for the *saftey* *health* *well-being* etc. of the child. Would like to hear how this turns out.
May 1, 2013 4:51 am
In Florida hiring minors falls under the Florida Child Labor laws, there is no work permits issued by the schools and parents do not need to sign permission. However many employers do require parent permission. I did have to sign a permission when my son was 15 and working at McDonald's and another at 16 working at Publix. This was many many years ago and now most businesses won't hire anyone under 18. Really hard here in Florida to find a job at any age, so really your daughter is very fortunate to be offered a job.
May 1, 2013 5:06 am
Teals13, it has turned out fine. The school requires the signature of the parent, which was a load off of my mind. To me, it means that they still honor my position as a parent, but are trying to mitigate the stupidity of careless parents.
May 1, 2013 5:10 am
Sherri, my daughter is very fortunate to be offered a job. It's only a few hours a week, but it is the beginning of learning responsibility outside of the home. Have you ever wondered, if the laws were enforced, would we need policies and regulations that are intrusive?
May 2, 2013 8:25 am
It is so great that you are involved in your children's lives and education......but the majority of families don't operate like you (or I). My husband has taught school for over 30 years and the lack of parental involvement is horrendous. The only involvement many of them want is to come to school to complain about some teacher picking on their kid. BTW I do believe it took a village to raise this old girl. If our neighbors or teacher observed me doing something wrong....they told my parents and my parents corrected me immediately. (sometimes with a spanking). Now days if you complain about a neighbor kid, the parents declare war on the neighbor instead of the offender. If more parents would pay attention to their child's good and bad behavior in an appropriate manner, we would have more great kids like yours.
May 2, 2013 10:01 am
I ditto, ditto, ditto mauigirl's comments! I am exterely involved with our elementary school and have been chairing the PTA's Student Appreciation seat for six years. The PTA honors teacher-elected students for their kind, helpful and respectful behavior with lunch with the principal, goodie bags and trophies. So many parents merely "warehouse" their children in schools for their teachers to raise. They don't want to do this any more than you. It is a partnership for the health and well being of our children. Yes, I claim them as my own. Afterall, they live in the same village with me!
May 3, 2013 7:24 pm
I am in agreement with Mauigirl... we never made it home from school if we had done something wrong some parent somewhere would have already informed our parent. Thus, we behaved much better because you never knew!! Back in the day you could sign up for work study. It was an elective class that allowed you to get credits if you worked. It required both teacher and parents signature.
May 3, 2013 7:27 pm
That is how Mike and I feel Cathy Meyers. He has taught for 33 years and they are his kids and he feels responsible for their safety and well being. It comes back to him in many successful adults. We love seeing the outcome of his hard work....wonderful adults!
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