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Should the Government Be Telling Us How to Eat? 
 
Dec. 11, 2011 9:36 am 
Updated: Feb. 1, 2012 3:50 pm
New York City has banned trans fats, certain states are considering controlling school lunch programs and decisions are made to remove pop and vending machines that sell chocolate and candy and chips from schools and work buildings.
 
Now in no way do I support a nanny state anywhere, but should these decisions be made to regulate what we can and cannot eat?
 
Considering that the rise in diabetes and heart related diseases in people at a younger age,  conversely making health care cost rise,  I can see the governments point in trying to control an individuals right to make their own decisions in order to make better the public safety and well being.
 
I guess the question that bears asking is:  Do we want the government to control what we do from the cradle to the grave because they feel they know what is best for us, or do we demand that education and personal responsibility become paramount in the legislation of rights and freedoms when it comes to an individuals decisions on how  to behave and live.
 
I can see the ban on chocolate causing an #Occupy movement all it's own.  Big Trouble.
 
Have a great Christmas Everybody
Chef John
 
Comments
Dec. 11, 2011 9:50 am
my thoughts, your words. The gov't was not involved in the decision to take out bad snacks from the vending machines in my area, but they were removed from gov't buildings ie, schools and hospitals LOL. Pop was replaced with energy drinks, WTH? and milk, great. But they tripled the price of the milk in the machine as compared to in the store. So if my son wishes to grab a cold milk from the machine, he needs to pay top dollar X 3 for it. Some gov't decisions are like the nosey neighbour up the street, always involved with everything but her own back yard. If they concentrated on their expertise, I suppose they would have blank moments, jsut sayin!
 
Dec. 11, 2011 10:00 am
I have also commented about the stilltasty.com site. This was not a reflection on how often the members rely on this site, but rather how a website can tell me how long my food will last? Take for example eggs, I have laying hens, eggs -if properly stored will last 4-5 months without a problem. Many Europeans do no refrigerate eggs, yet the debate on eggs goes on and on. Salmonella-well the chicken would need to transfer salmonella to the egg, chickens coops with salomonella are usually destroyed and farmers do not allow other poultry farmers, nor the common neighbour to ever enter their coops for fear of transferring the disease. This may be a regional thing, but it is a rule in my area.
 
Dec. 11, 2011 10:09 am
Well, I'm not a fan of the government telling folks how to live at all. HOWEVER, as corporations began storming into our lives with no responsibility, our education became "stunted". When "shortening" became a "new" alternative, corporations were allowed to advertise it, yay! let's get it. Nobody taught us what partially hydrogenated fats were. Nobody knew how they would affect the human body, just get it out there and sell it. High Fructose Corn Syrup. . . saves manufacterers penny's over sugar. Nobody knows how it affects the human body. Yet diabetes is on the rise. Obesity is on the rise. Could this be a factor? Eating food from "out" is a risk. How much do you want the government involved in that? Lots of questions.
 
Dec. 11, 2011 10:12 am
P.S. You're right about the chocolate, LOL!!
 
Dec. 11, 2011 10:36 am
Great points all. We need to educate ourselves, and with the power of Al Gores greatest invention we can (the internet) We all know what we should and should not eat and drink, I believe it is a matter of making the correct choices and decisions, but unfortunatley there is a segment of society that has relied on the government for generations and will continue to do so until they are shown that there is a happiness in self relience and not depending on big government.
 
Dec. 11, 2011 12:10 pm
Hmmmm, this is a toughy. I think this falls into personal responsibility. Obesity and diabetes is on the rise, but I believe there should be free educational programs about it and everyone having a choice rather than the government regulating it. We start going into the realm of "how far is too far?".
 
Dec. 11, 2011 12:38 pm
exactly, we already are being told what light bulbs to use now whats next???
 
Dec. 11, 2011 1:07 pm
Much of the regulating is unnecessary- wholly. If there are a bunch of squeaky wheels screaming for the government to do away with (for example) transfats, the government will do just that. But, did the transfats go away? Nope. But the squeaky wheels feel they got their appropriate lubrication. What was accomplished? Just an emboldened agency that believes their job is to regulate. Too many folks want the government to replace their own common sense. Unfortunately, most government has no idea how to use common sense so we are burdened with overzealous regulating.
 
Dec. 11, 2011 1:10 pm
It just struck me. Many of those that are shoving regulations down our throats, are those very folks that were demonstrating in the 60s, 70s and 80s for the governments to get out of their lives. Hmmm. Funny how attitudes change when there is an illusion of power .
 
Dec. 11, 2011 1:21 pm
I believe in a free market economy with a small amount of regulating and interference from the government. If enough people realize that certain things are bad, than a smart company/entrepeneur will stop making it and give the market what it wants.
 
petey 
Dec. 11, 2011 1:28 pm
Good blog. I don't believe the gov't should have the right to tell us what we can eat. The FDA raids on Amish farms and small farm cheese producers is way over the top. It has been big AG that has brought us cantaloupe, spinach and all the other commercial foods that have been making people sick. As for me, I will drink my clean raw milk from my cow and feel blessed beyond measure.
 
Dec. 11, 2011 8:35 pm
I'm in favour of anything that both promotes healthy eating and gets junk food out of reach of the ignorant. Unfortunately, the ignorant in large part, are us and our kids. I cannot belive that soft drinks, chips and chocolate bars were EVER allowed into our schools. What freaking nincompoop thought that would be a good idea in the first place?
 
newbiecook37686 
Dec. 11, 2011 9:27 pm
If the gov't wants to tell me how to eat,then we should not be charged such out rages prices for things.I live in Tn.we have close to a 10%tax on our fd.I spend close to 200 dollars every five days on stuff to just cook a dinner meal every night.That is when the two teen boys are in school.During the summer that budget almost is 300.so if they would give me a break on that I might be in favor.MAYBE
 
Dec. 12, 2011 6:56 am
Just a few thoughts... from someone whose job it is to teach nutrition education to kids in schools and has seen the changes over the past 6 years or so...regarding school lunches and other foods available at school: The govm't is not saying children (or people in general) cannot eat these foods at all, they are saying you cannot purchase them at a certain time or place because they are not for sale any longer at those locations. Parents, if you want to send junk on your kids' lunches, you can still do that. (And many are. Also, if you are not pleased with the cost of the vending machine choices, consider purchasing snacks on your own and packing them in book bags.) What they *are* preventing is kids buying junk without their parents knowing. ("You bought WHAT with your lunch money?!") What they are ensuring is that the kids who receive free or reduced lunch because of their family situation, are not being fed JUNK because, for some kids, this is the only food they get each day. Sad but true. We won't even go into the whole "kids with air jordans getting free lunch and then spending $ at McDs after school" thing. But for those who thought that candy bars, potato chips and junk in general were not available- they used to be in every school cafeteria in our county, and sometimes the teachers even sold candy to the kids as fundraisers for their own kids' activities. So intended lunch money becomes junk food and kids don't get the nutrients they need to be healthy, get an education and make a better life one day. I see big improvements in the diets of kids at school since 2006 mostly because we have improvements in the school lunch program. You can now get baked chips in the cafeterias but no fried chips. No more Sunny D, or sodas, much more milk drinking and water drinking going on. At least in my county. That because of 3 things- healthier choices in the cafeteria, parents being active role models with their kids re: healthy foods and activity, and nutrition education starting in pre-school - grade 2. Want to know more about nutrition education? www.organwiseguys.com
 
Dec. 12, 2011 7:06 am
I totally agree, chefjohn. Did you know it was the government that originally decided (based on a biased study by Ancel Keys, who threw out data that didn't agree with his opinions) that saturated fats were BAD and needed to be replaced by trans fat. So people switched to margarine en masse. The government told us we need to eat 6-11 servings of insulin spiking grains a day. And not we as a country are fatter and sicker than ever. Maybe the government should stop telling us what to eat?
 
Dec. 12, 2011 8:38 am
The best thing we can all do is to be self-responsible and learn as much as we can. More good information on school lunch: www.sustainabletable.org/features/articles/backtoschool/

and
www.feingold.org/PF/wisconsin1.html
 
Dec. 12, 2011 4:40 pm
all great points. Wise decisions are only predicated by education and trial and error. I would lovce to see a movement in this country, or all over the world for that matter- to educate the masses on healthy eating habits and to get the obesity rate down-then we would see PART of the problem with health care eradicated
 
Dec. 12, 2011 5:48 pm
I can't help but to think that a health warning is on a pack of cigarettes and not on a McDonald's Big Mac.
 
Elle 
Dec. 13, 2011 7:23 am
Thanks for your input, goodfood4thesoul. And for your work. Teaching good food choices is difficult when there are so many half-truths spread by advertisers and others who have something to gain. Plus some of that junk food is downright good! It takes a lot of strength as a parent to limit the soda, the fast food, the sweets. My children complained, but are grateful now that I limited these things. I am just glad the vending machine's at DD's school had choices like water and fresh fruit.
 
Dec. 14, 2011 6:58 am
Great blog! My kids are both in elementary school and they are only allowed to bring healthy snacks.(fruit, veggies, yogurt etc.)They are not allowed to bring anything that contains chocolate and no chips. Since kindergarten they have been taught, in school, how to make healthy choices and now they are making those healthy choices at home as well. I think it's great!
 
Dec. 14, 2011 8:02 am
tat is terrific.
 
Cheoah 
Dec. 14, 2011 8:28 am
I think we should be able to choose to eat whatever we want. As for the children who are overweight and have health problems; I think we should educate their parents on how to eat and cook healthy. If money is an issue and thats why there are health problems at a young age, we should help them to buy healthy food.
 
Dec. 14, 2011 10:24 am
Those running the government seem to have enough problems governing themselves let alone people's eating habits. Yes, people do need to eat better especially children but at what point is it the individual's responsibility? Ban chocolate?! Perish that thought!!
 
Dec. 14, 2011 10:37 am
Overindulgence in any form is unhealthy, we need to teach our children healthy habits for living in general, not only where food is concerned. The focus on leading healthy lifestyles is a positive move, especially in this era where click and go is the focus. A guideline in our house is that we eat to live not live to eat and what you put in you get back three fold. We all have the power of choice we simply need to pay attention to what we're choosing and why. Good health is a gift to be cherished.
 
Dec. 14, 2011 11:14 am
maybe have kids put down the video games and laptops and also let them run around at recess instead of structured playtime and Ridalin
 
LinRan 
Dec. 14, 2011 12:40 pm
This has probably been mentioned but why do we even have vending machines in the schools. Yes you guessed right I am old enough that there were no vending machine or teachers selling candy at my school. The only candy that was sold would be band candy once a year. Vending machines in other areas of life do not bother me as we need to take responsibility for our own actions. Good nutrition should start in the home. My grand children get a snack every 10 min. When did all this snacking start. That is why kids don't want to eat we snack them to death. Take the snack and soda machines out of our school. Just my humble opinion.
 
zeee 
Dec. 14, 2011 2:50 pm
Read Michael Pollan. Enlightening info. on food in general. I had no idea how much Big Industry and the government influences our thoughts on so basic a thing as what we eat.
 
Susan 
Dec. 14, 2011 5:25 pm
I think the government is planning ahead. Rising obesity rates are a public health concern. Obesity may lead to a number of chronic conditions requiring long-term care. Medicaid primarily funds skilled nursing facilities. As for the vending machines in schools, I wish there were more healthy choices the kids would actually purchase earning the schools extra income at the same time.
 
redly 
Dec. 14, 2011 8:26 pm
Cat Hill said it right. Ban chocolate? WHaaaT???!!? Ultimately it is up to the the parents to teach healthy yummy eating. I grew up in the 60's and a big bowl of potato chips was an OK snack on any afternoon. In the 70's I learned better food ideas from my friends in the mountains. Most people learned better food ideas. So I grew up overweight and learned how to do things different. It's not cool to make so much garbage available to kids at school, as sadly, some parents don't pay attention. As for the government sticking their nose in our business? I can't use that kind of language on AR and there is a reason I won't talk about politics with people. Recipes are more constructive! The facts being made available to people is the absolute most important thing. Do you remember Orwell's 1984 and big brother? We now have a camera on almost every street corner. In the end we (each one of us) is responsible, but having the facts makes it easier. And Chocolate!
 
redly 
Dec. 14, 2011 8:58 pm
Good blog Chef John.
 
Ronnie 
Dec. 14, 2011 10:54 pm
The only true democratic way to answer this dilemma is to put both healthy and unhealthy choices up to the consumer. To have only unhealthy choices in the school vending machines is the reality I live with- and the only choice given. (Chips, cookies and soda) I wonder if some kids might like a good sandwich or some fruit- but right now those things are not offered. (at least where I go to school). Merry Merry Xmas 2 U!
 
mimosa 
Dec. 15, 2011 12:08 am
I don't think it's any of the government's business what I eat and I think restaurants should be able to sell what they want, as long as they say what it is and it is what they say. As an adult and a paying consumer, I have the right to make my own decisions about my diet. As for the government making decisions about what is served in schools, I think it IS their job to oversee the implementation of a healthy, well rounded offering of foods to the children they are charged with on a daily basis. However, the government has been saying what is served in schools forever and they haven't done such a hot job. (ie: ketchup a vegetable?) School children are NOT adult, paying consumers and I would think that parents would be glad that their children were being taught good nutritional choices and not being given open access to junk. As little as 10 years ago I was doing work at a high school that actually had Pizza Hut and McDonald's in the cafeteria. I had to almost beat my way through those lines to get to the salad bar that had possibly the most dreary, wilted and old lettuce ever offered for a meal because "nobody eats it anyway". I see the school menus in my area, and while Pizza Hut and McDonald's, along with the soda and candy machines are gone, the cafeteria servings are still nothing but corn dogs, burgers, nachos, pizza and the like. They've got a long way to go!
 
Dec. 15, 2011 6:44 am
Great comments everybody. I firmly believe in the free market economy and individual responsibility. Due to the free market-I am seeing a huge trend for healthy foods to be served in schools because that is what the demand is becoming-from the parents, staff and children. Also the culinary industry is taking a lead in promoting healthier eating, and taking a lead to make it more available by being proactive and offering the choices that people didn't even know existed on restaurant menus. I applaud the industry for doing that. If you think the government can run anything with success, go to the local DMV or a state run nursing home and your mind will change. Merry Christmas to everyone and may you have a great New Year too. Chef John
 
Dec. 15, 2011 6:45 am
And not only schools but work place cafeterias and senior living campuses as well. Because of consumer demand, not because the government mandated it.
 
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Dec. 16, 2011 9:14 am
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Jordan 
Dec. 16, 2011 2:21 pm
Such is always the question when monetary responsibility comes into play. The government pays over $600 billion a year on healthcare in the United States. Needless to say the vast majority of this care goes to two groups, the elderly and the pudgy. While old age cannot be avoided, obesity certainly can, and the continued ridiculous eating habits of many people are considered a budgetary liability. For example, I for one am all for universal welfare...except for those who eat KFC famous bowls. You have no idea how many grossly humongous people I see scarfing down Famous Bowls, McRibs, and all sorts of dietary disasters, and my first thought usually is "Boy, I hope my tax dollars do not pay for your medical care." Ruthless but true, sometimes the best way to pick someone up is to kick them down hard enough so they bounce up.
 
Jordan 
Dec. 16, 2011 2:22 pm
Comment above should read universal *healthcare, not welfare.
 
Dec. 16, 2011 9:59 pm
We all recognize the government all the regulator of alcohol, for the safety of everyone. While I do not want a nanny state, I have no issue with banning junk food sales in schools. As a parent who tried, and largely succeeded, to instill good eating habits in my children, I had a hard time explaining why Joey was allowed Fritos and soda for lunch while I insisted on fruit and veggies with milk or water. More important than getting the government out of our food choices, we need to get big agri-business out of government. KFC, McDs etc. offer (usually poor) school districts large sums to become part of their food programs. And trust me, a 9year old only knows he wants those fries too.
 
Beccka 
Dec. 17, 2011 2:13 am
I'm always thinking about food and healthy eating. I grew up in Switzerland, where obesity is slowly rising, but remains very rare. Each time I travel to the US, or even to London, I'm shocked to see the number of overtly-overweight people. It's seriously abnormal. However, forbidding and regulating food is exactly what every decent diet tells you NOT to do. By saying "no! you can't have this!" people will want it more. The impression that I get about the US is that everywhere you go there is temptation. And an easy way out. For people to change their eating habits the government shouldn't forbid consumption of certain foods but rather help people realize that they might have terrible and dangerous eating habits and encourage programs to help correct those problems. At least that's what I believe.
 
Dec. 17, 2011 4:49 am
I believe people need to become food saavy via independent research and self education, rather than blindly believing every corporate-run study (follow the money to see who stands to lose or gain from said study!) that is conducted. I also believe that everyone needs to grow up and take personal responsibility for their own actions. In contrast to those who want to sue and blame fast food joints for their obesity. No one held a gun to their heads and forced them to eat big macs everyday! There is WAY too much government intervention/interference these days and society is beginning to resemble a bunch of ignorant children who need to be guided every step of the way. Personally, I'd like to see things return to the days where we were responsible for producing our own food. Never going to happen but I can still wish for it! Just my 2 cents.
 
Diane 
Dec. 17, 2011 5:14 am
No..the government should not tell people what to eat..it is none of their business. If I choose to eat trans fat, then it is my choice. This government has gotten too power that they want to tell us how to eat and what to eat. Unfortunately, the American people are allowing this to happen..sorry, IF I offend anyone.
 
Dec. 17, 2011 8:41 am
The goverment takes control because we the people really do nothing about it and no they should not tell us how to live but just the other day a law passed that says your not alloweed to disagree with their decisions. Someone sent me a posting by email about how to catch a wild pig I'll post it below this answer....and you will see what I mean....But either way I believe in Christ and the power of His name and word which is why so many are trying to remove it so I know they will not win.
 
Dec. 17, 2011 8:42 am
CATCHING PIGS There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the Prof noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist regime. In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question He asked: "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?" The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke. "You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn . They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity." The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America .. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.
 
Dec. 17, 2011 8:42 am
And we are the "pigs" as they view us.
 
Dec. 17, 2011 11:49 am
wow-that alliteration sent a chill up my spine. I tell my friends that I have some of the most intelligent people responding on this blog, and reading the responses to this post I can certainly verify that fact. Thnks you
 
Dec. 17, 2011 1:02 pm
They banned a lot of food from our school. Now we have juice and water vending machine and a milk and yogurt machine. They banned gatorade from our kids! Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.
 
Carmin Rees 
Dec. 17, 2011 1:31 pm
I am not for the government telling us what we can and cant eat. Just like controlling us at everything we do. Why not put physical education back in the schools daily schedule and it be mandatory each day of the week.
 
halfbakednurse 
Dec. 17, 2011 2:55 pm
This would be the same government that recently ruled pizza and french fries to be vegetables...
 
druasmith 
Dec. 17, 2011 4:48 pm
Definitely. The government should be dictating every items on our grocery lists. Michelle Obama should direct an army of HHS enforcement officers who will come into our homes and check our refrigerators and cupboards and ensure we're all in perfect compliance. That's totally going to happen too.
 
suz 
Dec. 17, 2011 6:52 pm
There's a reason why we have laws: -that set maximum MPH on the highways, -that require helmets for motorcyclists, -that say you can't discriminate against people because they are ___ when you're hiring, -that set standards for food safety, -that regulate dispensing of drugs, -that set guidelines for food consumption. It is because so many people/corporations will do what they want despite all evidence indicating that what they are doing is (potentially)harmful or unfair to themselves or to others. They either don't give a hoot or they don't think "it" will ever happen to them (typical 15 yr old response). But of course when "it" does happen, we all pay for it in the form of higher healthcare premiums and/or higher taxes. And why on earth would anyone object to regulations that expect restaurants and food manufacturers to quit using trans-fats - by all accounts it is terrible stuff - it just isn't worth it!
 
Dec. 17, 2011 7:45 pm
I think in debates like this there is a tendency for people to simplify the conversation and blame the government as a meddlesome nanny who has no place choosing what you should feed yourself or your family. In reality, the government has an extremely important role in how food should be regulated. We only have to look back a century to Upton Sinclair to find out what a true free-market provides in terms of food safety. I really hate to see this debate devolve into a "get the gubment's hands off my food!". Because it is much more complex than that. How many people are on Medicare or have parents that are on Medicare? Should the government not have a vested interest in making sure that it keeps health care costs under control? If people here were advocating a complete elimination of food subsidies, that is a different story. But I haven't heard that conversation brought up yet.
 
suz 
Dec. 17, 2011 7:57 pm
maffechr - well said. And when you add Medicaid to the Medicare recipients, you're talking even more millions of people.
 
csdmnstr 
Dec. 17, 2011 9:36 pm
Well I guess we could look at what other administrations took away from us, or force fed us (not to mention people in other countries). Sorry, but as much as we may not like it sometimes or support it always, our government has its hands in everyone's business because it effects their bottom line. That exists at every level, city/county/state/nationally. Everyone can point fingers, whine like children, and call political figures out front and center to take the blame for everything. It doesn't solve the problem of not just children but adults who are incapable of managing their own nutrition to maintain their health. It seems like many people think its okay to eat whatever you want because it doesn't show on the outside, so its just "those obese people" who need to take responsibility for what they eat. Your poor children being deprived of chocolate, chips, and soda at school even though they're skinny. How dare public schools accept responsibility for what they're feeding and making available to your kids irregardless of what "shape" they're in. In case all of us have forgotten, you can be skinny and still be unhealthy. In fact, eating poorly (whether you're skinny, morbidly obese or somewhere in between) results in diabetes, some cancers, heart problems, and hypertension -- none of which requires being overweight or obese. Past and present administrations have had to deal with costs of medical care steadily increasing related to poor eating habits. Over time; If x amount of people eat poorly, which results in Disease A, B, or C occurring in x% of that group, x% either improve quality of life through nutrition/exercise or pharmaceuticals but x% become degenerative = steady decline in quality of life to the point of disability for some. So to re-direct, if you were a politician looking at the increasing numbers of kids and adults with nutrition related health problems and its costing your state money how would you go about "solving" it? Don't forget your taxpayers would like you to find a 'solution' because they ultimately contribute monetarily for x% of populace to receive state medical benefits. Also, Phys Ed, any one of you ever looked into how that ended up as a class in school? Maybe Mrs. Obama found a way to go back in time, or maybe we have to admit yet another example of our 'meddling government'. Which is great since it's obviously accepted now as a part of school (go wild pigs!), in the early 20's-40s they pushed it to be in schools because the nation on average was 'not physically fit' enough to be readily drafted for war -- as for now though it doesn't solve anything beyond fitness. It's only one piece of the puzzle, nutrition is another key piece. If you want to go into number crunching what an average American child (or adult) eats for snacks and meals pretty sure that nutritionist above would tell you even a P.E. class every day at school won't be enough for what they eat. Not to mention would require more physical activity outside of school. Even then, all you're doing is improving their superficial appearances through caloric and fat burn, not their overall health. I think sometimes the reality is we're too quickly offended and assume that another adult or group considers us so inferior and incapable; we tend to be deaf and defensive ultimately forgetting the issue and it's validity. Why isn't anyone questioning how you can stand here resolutely defending chocolate ffs, and not your own health? Not to mention, as some of you are parents and grandparents -- these babies to young adults health... not just now as kids while they 'look healthy' but their future health as adults. So, is it too far? Nope... not yet, and for the wild pig to apply to American politics things would have to change more than this to be paranoid. @Drua, be more afraid of the Biggest Loser crew -- Jillian would probably throw away all of our food.
 
csdmnstr 
Dec. 17, 2011 10:02 pm
@Halfbaked Maybe it was implied to go ahead and indulge every now and then because they were being critiqued so harshly as "food nazis". Afterall, a little Pizza Hut or McD's never killed anyone in moderation. Also, Pizza prepared with a whole wheat thin crust, lots of vegetables and some lean meats with light cheese/sauce can be 'healthy'. As usual, just not every meal... Same goes for 'fries' cut up a potato toss it in the oven, technically they're still 'fries' just prepared differently and at less cost to your health. Food is good, I love food, including Pizza Hut, Burgers, Fries and yes chocolate. But I want to be able to enjoy food and a long (hopefully healthy) life, and I wish my Dad had lived long enough to share this debate with me.
 
csdmnstr 
Dec. 17, 2011 10:12 pm
You guys can also add 'social security, unemployment, disability, food stamps etc...' We're on the same page, but Medical Insurance isn't the only cost to the government -- long term illnesses caused by poor nutrition can be permanently disabling. Get sick - miss too much work - lose job --- now can't afford anything, family, house, food, etc. Gov' picks up tab when you can't support yourself.
 
Basil 
Dec. 18, 2011 4:44 am
All I can our government is getting more communist all the time by tell us what we can and can not do. We as a People do not have any more rights in this country. We as Adults should know whats best for our family's not the government.
 
ilovebbq 
Dec. 18, 2011 6:13 am
As much as I, myself, prefer small government, the general society needs large government whether they admit it or not. As it relates to this blog, plain and simple, most people can't control themselves. Hence the rise in obesity and lack of self control. Pathetic as it is, a LOT of people cannot take care of themselves. I'm afraid to see where this country will be in another generation or two. Will BMI be a thing of the past because society now controls what is "normal" weight range simply by looking at people around you. We are almost there now. Will parking lots be 90% handicapped for people with weight issues? If so, since overweight and handicapped is the norm, will new "super handicap" spots be created for those who really need them or extremely overweight individuals?
 
Dec. 18, 2011 11:25 am
In public schools, the government's role is kind of central, don't you think? I mean, they are "public" aren't they?
 
ACCER 
Dec. 18, 2011 11:39 am
Many school have a lunchtime patrol that checks to make sure that parents haven't sent anything on the prohibited list, such as cookies. Some schools have even banned bringing a lunch completely. I'm personally opposed to any and all government intrusion beyond basic safety. Their job should be to make sure that what is sold as food is safe to eat, ie not contaminated with e.coli. Beyond that they need to stay out of it. I find it amusing that it's often the same group of people who don't want the government in our bedrooms, regulating birth control and sexual orientation, or regulating abortion are the same people who want to tell us what to eat. I mean seriously people. The government can't do their own jobs. They need to quit attempting to micromanage our lives and focus on the big picture. This is the problem with a national healthcare system. If the government pays for it then they can regulate the aspects of our lives that pertain to it. The last time I checked that pretty much covered everything in our lives.
 
Dec. 18, 2011 1:34 pm
I must disagree with those who feel the government suffers because of increased medical costs. Many are calling the U.S. the Corporate States of America simply because it is hard to tell who is really in charge. If one is to take the word of former employees (as well as whistle blowers) of pharmaceutical companies and/or the FDA, it is clear that both have lined the pockets of politicians in the federal government and that far too many politicans have vested interest in the sale of drugs. If the claims are real, then the government is making financial killing on the sickness of its citizens. There have been documented cases of conflict of interest between the feds and big pharma. Bottom line, a healthy population does not generate the billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars in annual profit per corporation that the government also benefits from. I, and a growing number of people, believe the new food safety acts, Agenda 21, Codex Alimentarius, and other related laws (I would encourage anyone unfamiliar with these laws to Google them) recently passed are aimed at keeping people as sick as possible to generate an appalling profit. The government is the last group of people we should be feeling sorry for, when they are the very ones who pass the laws that make us sick to begin with.
 
pleaides357 
Dec. 18, 2011 8:20 pm
Responsibility, it needs to come back into fashion.
 
Dec. 21, 2011 9:41 am
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/12/20/michelle_obama_s_school_lunch_menu_forces_kids_to_find_back_alley_meals
 
Angelique59072466 
Feb. 1, 2012 3:50 pm
my neighbor's step-sister makes $75 every hour on the laptop. She has been unemployed for 10 months but last month her check was $7112 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Here's the site to read more... LazyCash5.com
 
 
 
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