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Black Friday: Deal or No Deal ? 
Oct. 26, 2012 10:50 am 
Updated: Nov. 13, 2012 8:25 am

As the fall days continue to slide by on the calendar, I have begun to notice something in the air other than falling leaves, morning frost and a passing hurricane. I first started to feel it when I noticed that the lawn mowers at the garden store had been replaced by lawn ornaments that weren’t skeletons, witches, pilgrims or turkeys. I felt it again when I saw the Holiday Boutique Stores being built in Bryant Park here in NYC. It got stronger when I started to notice more ads for free layaway plans than for the presidential election. It was almost eerie when I saw the twinkling lights on the back wall of the Big Box Store reflected in the plastic bags of Halloween candy across the aisle. But I think it really hit home when I saw a Santa with a sadistic smile much too happily carving a pumpkin. Yes, Christmas Creep is in the air and that means his partner in crime, Black Friday, can’t be far behind.


But is Black Friday really all that it is cracked up to be ? Is Black Friday really worth choking down your turkey leg, three sides & pumpkin pie in order for you to rush out to stand in line for hours in the cold & dark with other bargain hunters who treat the opening witching hour like it’s the opening moments of The Hunger Games ? The Wall Street Journal earlier this month explored “The Myth of the Black Friday Deal” (October 8, 2012) and it made me wonder, Black Friday: Deal or No Deal ?


As many of you already know, I am not a Black Friday shopper. I stay away from the mall like it’s the Plague or a One Direction Concert. I would rather be the subject of a Taylor Swift song or a guest judge on CHOPPED when one of the mystery ingredients is Haggis than go toe to toe with a Midnight Holiday Madness sale. I have always thought that it was silly to jam the doors and trample people all for the one of two items actually discounted to the price in the paper (* supplies limited). Now it seems I may actually have some data to back my thoughts up. According to a study conducted by Decide, Inc. (a consumer price research firm), a lot of items that we think are being deeply discounted on Black Friday and its less evil sibling, Cyber Monday, are actually cheaper to buy at other times of the year. Decide tracked prices for several different popular consumer items online for a two year period and some of their findings were surprising and some were very predictable. It was no surprise to me that UGG Boots were cheapest in June & July when most people are wearing flip flops & sandals or that items like blenders & mixers got cheaper as Christmas Day approached. What did surprise me was how many items (jewelry, watches, etc) get pricier as Black Friday approaches so that those deals, while still below the suggested retail price, are nowhere near what you could have done if you had kept your eyes open earlier in the year. It’s actually good that I am writing this and reinforcing it in my mind because I am one of those shoppers who waits for the last minute most of the time and pays what I pay, high or low. Procrastination may not kill the cat (or was that curiosity ?) but it can & has been known to put a serious hurting on my wallet.


Now I will admit that when you begin to think like a retailer, there is a method to all this madness. The deeply discounted items (*supplies limited) do get crowds of people in the door with the expectation that once people are in the doors, they will buy something to justify the trip even if they don’t get the feature sale item (*supplies limited). In a lot of those cases, those other items are priced closer to their retail price than they were just a month earlier. You still get a deal but not quite the deal that you thought you were getting. It’s tricky path that retailers must tread in these economic times so making the sale at the end of the day is more important than anything else when it comes to their bottom line.


But is Black Friday really worth it ? I guess that is in the minds & pockets of the consumers. As long as they keep lining up, the stores will keep pushing to open their doors earlier & earlier.  I just know that I won’t be choking down my turkey at a breakneck pace or out there fighting the crowds like I am in a WWE Battle Royale. I will be at home with my family on Thanksgiving & Black Friday because in my house, Black Friday is No Deal and we...RESPECT THE BIRD.  

Oct. 26, 2012 11:09 am
NO DEAL here too Doug. What makes it worse for me is two of by grandsons work retail - chances are great, whether or not we choose not to endorse Black Friday with our wallets, that two of 'my eaters' will be racing off to work. I think it stinks!
Oct. 26, 2012 11:11 am
Haven't observed Black Friday in years, Doug! Days off don't come around that often, and I don't want to share them with crowds, so I stay home! Keep banging the drum, Doug!
Oct. 26, 2012 11:30 am
No Black Friday here as well. It bugs me even more that now the sales start early Thanksgiving day.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:31 am
No deal here. I did go for the very first time last year and although I got a few movies for a really good price, it was SO not worth the brutality I dealt with (people elbowing me, swinging stuff around to make room, etc.) It was awful! Even worse, I knew half the people in there (they all got an ear full.) I would never hurt others just to save a few bucks, that's just not worth it. I just finished my Christmas shopping two days ago and that's that!
Oct. 26, 2012 11:31 am
Nope - noooo way! The day after Thanksgiving is National Soup Day at our house. We make two huge vats of the stuff and it is an all hands on deck tradition! We invite family who couldn't make it on Thanksgiving Day and friends as well.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:35 am
Almost as good as watching a backyard brawl except when granny has been mowed over by the shoppers and laying at the bottom of the pile.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:46 am
As many times that i have been in the U.S.visiting family,i have never been there on Black Friday,and by the sound of this post,i don't think i want to.Thanks for the info.Doug.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:54 am
I stay clear of Black Friday and have for years. Last year there were people camping in tents on the sidewalk at Best Buy a week before black Friday...that is just plain crazy. What sale could ever be worth that? Several big chain stores start the sales at midnight on Thanksgiving now.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:55 am
Hi BN - I remember that you have 2 "eaters" in retail. I would really hate that. Families should be together on Thanksgiving at the table - not working at the store.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:56 am
Hi Bibi - my drum has just started banging and I will keep banging it until the turkey comes out of the oven !
Oct. 26, 2012 11:57 am
Hi Joey Joan - I keep track of which stores open and they will only get my last dollar if I absolutely can't find what I was looking for elsewhere. Stay dry this weekend
Oct. 26, 2012 12:00 pm
hi Faith - sorry you had to experience that and glad to hear you survived. I think you deserve a 2nd helping of pumpkin pie for living through that ordeal.
Oct. 26, 2012 12:04 pm
Hi what's for dinner, mom - is one of those soups my world famous Southwestern Turkey Soup ? (he says with shameless self promotion) Sounds like a great tradition.
Oct. 26, 2012 12:07 pm
Hey ConkyJoe - I will admit that I do find some of the cell phone videos on the news the day after to be both funny & frightening. Hope Granny stays out of the way this year.
Oct. 26, 2012 12:08 pm
Hi manella - Thanksgiving is a great time to visit the States - especially NYC (mainly since I have a few days off and won't have to deal with the tourists) but there are definitely better times to shop than Black Friday.
Oct. 26, 2012 12:10 pm
Hi Sherri - I can't understand people who camp out for iphones, concert tickets, sneakers and/or Black Friday. Nothing you can buy could or should mean that much discomfort.
Oct. 26, 2012 12:24 pm
Can't stand the insanity of black Friday..... a great day for me to sleep in and enjoy the extra pounds I gained on Turkey Thursday! I have heard NOW is the time to do your shopping, stores are getting ready to jack their prices up so they can lower them for the holidays! lol Who knows!?
Oct. 26, 2012 12:31 pm
Hi Shanon - based on the article I read, it really depends on what you are looking to buy but odds are the price will actually be slightly lower now than the price that gets TRUMPETED in 4 weeks.
Oct. 26, 2012 12:35 pm
Hi Doug - your blog is hilarious!! Had me grinning at every sentence! I'm going to come out right now and say I'm the minority here. I LOVE Black Friday and I'm usually one of those in line early in the morning. Heck, I'd go even if there wasn't a "special sale" item I wanted to get. You see, I am a bargain shopper, extraordinaire!! I know this may be hard for some people to understand, but I go for the thrill!! :D However, I will qualify my status, as such, by saying that I would never let Black Friday interfere with my family time and turkey time. I do still respect the bird!! I also would not camp out several days in advance (at least I don't think I would :O) for any bargain and I would never exert any violence toward another just to get a bargain!! Fortunately, I've never witnessed any such nonsense during any of my Black Friday experiences. While I agreee that some of the Black Friday "deals" aren't really "deals", I do believe you CAN come away with some pretty good bargains. Come Christmas Eve, while "some of us" (I won't mention names) are out doing our entire Christmas shopping, I will be home, snuggled with my family around the fireplace, enjoying the fruits of my labor. (Unless there happens to be a really good sale somewhere);)
Oct. 26, 2012 12:36 pm
Being Canadian, I've often thought longingly of your Black Friday and wondered if it would be worth the trip. I'm not a real "shopper" but I do like a bargain!! Your blog and the comments have helped me to decide to just stay put. Thanks.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:03 pm
Hi Mi Being Mi - I was wondering when I would get my first Pro-Black Friday comment. I can certainly appreciate the thrill of the hunt myself - I love to beat the system at my local grocery store each week...and I'll let you know about those Xmas eve deals.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:04 pm
Hi Patches - you mean Canadians don't go crazy shopping on October 11 ? Have a great weekend.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:07 pm
Loved your Taylor Swift comment. I am not a shopper and do so only when necessary. I will admit DH and I woke up early and went to REI one year as they were giving away $20 coupons to the first 150 customers. We got there 2 minutes after the doors opened and figured it was worth $40.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:11 pm
Hi Marie C - now getting paid to go to a Black Friday sale does put a different spin on it. Hope you got something good with the $40.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:25 pm
No Black Friday here Doug....Respect the Bird and the snore chair!
Oct. 26, 2012 1:45 pm
Hey Cliff - Respect The Snore Chair ! I love it. I know exactly which chair gets that title in my house.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:46 pm
DM: I have absolutely no interest in Black Friday shopping. But my husband and daughter enjoy the challenge. They try to entice me to go. I always hope that my work schedule will provide the perfect excuse so I won't have to hurt their feelings.
Oct. 26, 2012 1:51 pm
To heck with Black Friday. The best deals are when all the holidays are over.
Oct. 26, 2012 2:06 pm
Hi bikerfamily - us men do enjoy the thrill of the hunt - it goes back to our caveman days. I just like to "hunt" on days other than Black Friday. I really hope your work schedule works out for you.
Oct. 26, 2012 2:11 pm
Hey bd - the article I read would tend to agree with you. I know I always pick something up for myself after Christmas.
Oct. 26, 2012 6:19 pm
No Black Friday shopping here. Or Dec. 26th shopping. I seldom have Black Fri off, but do this year. I work Thursday, Sat & Sun-why would I want to join the masses on my only day off? Not worth any special buys I might find. It used to be that local stores would join in and I'd shop there with friends, but that type of store just closes now. Not enough business, I guess. As for the big WM-after that worker got trampled a few years ago, they shouldd have backed off the BF bargains and decided their workers lives were more important that a frenzied crowd of shopperslooking to save a few bucks, IMHO.
Oct. 26, 2012 6:26 pm
I workedin a department store for seven years, way back and longbefore "Black Friday". It was simply known as the day after Thanksgiving. The stores opened at their regular hour, advertised items were well stocked and people were treating each other politely. The Christmas displays were only two or three days old and Christmas music was being heard for the first time of the year. We extended the store hours until nine pm until December 26 as a convenience for the season then fell back to closing at six pm. Most transactions were paid in cash and you learned what to shop for in a dirty, smelly thing called a newspaper. A crowd at the door would be five or six people whose clocks were a a sooner time than the store clocks. People would shop casually in day long trips that included lunches and/or dinners inside, sitting down. I lived in that time, yet, it seems, to be a Norman Rockwell painting, now. (I'm sure somebody is going to ask, "Who is Norman Rockwell".)
Oct. 26, 2012 6:29 pm
YAY! Was just thinking about Respect the Bird the other day, and wondered when we would hear the first strains..... I LOVE Thanksgiving. It is one of the few holidays w/out the pressure of gifts. No wrapping presents, no creating baskets or egg hunts, just fun and FOOD and family. Having Christmas encroaching on Thanksgiving really makes me sad. But, as I say that, I have to say I am about 2/3 done w/ my shopping. Have NOT started or thought about my decorating, baking, etc. Just the shopping part. I seriously don't find much difference in prices even in those ads. Today I was at Kohl's. I had a 30% off coupon. I was looking at a few items and they were changing signage and telling everyone that at 2:00 most items got an EXTRA 10% beyond the % they were already on sale (most were already down 40-50% off). So on some things I got 50% off, plus 10% off, and THEN my 30% off. Plus, all colors and sizes were still available. By Black Friday everything is pretty much picked over, I think. Except those price leaders they bring in just for Bl Friday(*Supplies Limited) and promptly run out of most items in less than 30 minutes. Thanks, Doug.
Oct. 26, 2012 7:09 pm
I don't do Black Friday. In fact, I don't do any Christmas shopping at all unless you call buying baking supplies with my regular groceries Christmas shopping. We bake all of our gifts, so no material things to buy :) The greeter at Meijer was singing Christmas carols when we walked in the other day. When I held up my hand and said, "Stop", he said he was just trying to get us in the mood for Christmas. I said at this rate, I would be sick of the day before it even got here! Another store had Halloween on one side of the aisle and Christmas on the other! The commercialism seems to get more ridiculous every year.
Oct. 26, 2012 9:11 pm
If you do your due dilligence you can get some AMAZING deals on Black Friday. I stood in line at 4 am once to get a camera my daughter was pricing for over a year. With the sale price, coupon, rebate and free accessories thrown in, I saved over 600 dollars. That being said- I would never wander the aisles shopping on Black Friday! There doesn't seem to be enough air in the malls and stores for all those people(maybe the retailers like us to be a little light-headed?) I took my camera and my $600 straight home and had a turkey sandwich and a nap.
Oct. 26, 2012 11:09 pm
No Black Friday here! With the stores starting earlier and earlier pushing their layaway plans and decorations appearing in stores long before Halloween, Christmas has lost its magic. I love Thanksgiving and haven't yet relinquished having dinner at my home. We try to really get into the spirit of gratitude and carry that into the holiday season. Since we are working on a 4th generation now the family has decided to buy gifts for children under the age of 16 and select one adult name from the Thanksgiving centerpiece and we all try to avoid big box stores, malls, and outlet centers. We try to support our local stores and or be creative in our gifts. and GRRRRR... there is a Target Christmas commercial on TV as I type this! Bah Humbug!
Oct. 27, 2012 6:30 am
As the person on the other side of black friday I do want to say this I HATE IT. I hate the customers and as for "granny being at the bottom of the pile" my first black friday I worked granny was beating the out of people. I had one threaten to cut me because i told her she wasn't allowed to open our displays up till it was time. I hate it. I can not stretch that enough. People become stupid. Most of the time in my store we still end up with almost all the items going on clearance a few weeks down the road anyway so its no sweat. The only GOOD thing I can say about that holiday is I get paid time and a half and have to do very little other than stand there and take insults like any other nigh just i get paid more for it.
Oct. 27, 2012 7:49 am
Good morning elle - I try to avoid big holiday shopping crowds when I can too. I can understand not wanting to be anywhere near the crowds on your day off when you normally have to deal with those same crowds on a regular basis. And I agree about worker & public safety but it all pales in comparison to the almighty corporate dollar. Have a good weekend.
Oct. 27, 2012 7:55 am
Good morning Mike - I too remember & miss those days. Shopping was civilized and you knew the names of the clerks in the local stores and they knew your name too. And everyone knew Norman Rockwell and the Saturday Evening Post. Have a good weekend.
Oct. 27, 2012 8:02 am
Good morning chris k - my son has been yelling "Respect The Pumpkin" for the past few weeks already. I too have done a litle Christmas shopping already and I am also in the process of picking out potential Thanksgiving side dishes while munching on Halloween candy. Have a great weekend and I hope you walk into some more of those sales. Great deal.
Oct. 27, 2012 8:33 am
With shopping being a sport in the U.S., Black Friday is our version of Spain’s Running of the Bulls. Seniors, take your Life Alert with you so you can scream: "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!”
Oct. 27, 2012 9:23 am
Because I'd rather have two red hot pokers stuck in both eyes and twisted round & round and up & down than go shopping (now there's a Halloween visual for you), for years DH and I would make our Christmas shopping an event. We'd head to the big city of Portland, shop ALL day, dining in fancy restaurants for every meal and spend the night in a fancy hotel; usually taking in a play or concert. We would do every single bit of our Christmas shopping in fell swoop to be done with it. The rest of the holiday season then could be spent doing family things like cooking, singing around the piano, crafts making, caroling with friends and taking sleigh rides in the country. We also chose one charity to be involved with during the holidays too. We actually worked very hard to have the Norman Rockwell kind of holiday as much as we possibly could. Our kids have great memories they still talk about! For me, shopping is a necessary evil and I participate as little as possible.
Oct. 27, 2012 9:27 am
I don't call it shopping either, I call it "buying." Because I only go to the store when I need to "buy" something. If I need a new pairs of shoes, I say "I'm going buying." I go into the shoe store, buy my shoes and get the heck out.
Oct. 27, 2012 12:24 pm
Good afternoon Sugarnspice - baking your holiday gifts is a wonderful idea. I know I am making pumpkin bread by the batches starting in early Octobre and I end with Spritz cookies thru the New Year. Have a great weekend
Oct. 27, 2012 12:27 pm
Thanks, you, too!
Oct. 27, 2012 1:18 pm
Hi hazelnut - sounds to me like you had a plan & a goal and you made Black Friday work for you in a big way. I have a lot of respect for that.
Oct. 27, 2012 1:20 pm
Hi BigShotsMom - it sounds like you all have some great traditions & values. I try to buy local as often as I can. Have a great weeknd.
Oct. 27, 2012 1:23 pm
Good afternoon ariessweetie - it really bothers me to see people abusing a store clerk or a flight attendant or a waitress. There is no place for that type of attitude. I am sorry you have to deal with like that. Thanks for stopping by and good luck this coming holiday season.
Oct. 27, 2012 1:24 pm
That is an awesome & accurate analogy ConkyJoe and I will be stealing it for cocktail parties & the water cooler. Thanks
Oct. 27, 2012 1:26 pm
Hi Candice - that really is an appropriate image for the season. What a great tradition with your husband. That's a great story. Thank you so much for sharing it.
Oct. 27, 2012 2:30 pm
Doug, you’re welcome. The real thanks goes to you for sharing your great recipes . . . stay well.
Oct. 27, 2012 4:53 pm
Hi Doug!! Great blog!! I did black Friday ahoppong once when my kids were young. Haven't done it since. We live 90 minutes from my in-laws and last year on our way to their house saw people lined up, at 11:30 in the morning. Passed the same people and more at 8:30pm on our way back home. It is really a sad way to spend the day in my opinion. Wish they won't open up store til 6am on black Friday.
Oct. 27, 2012 4:55 pm
Oops. Should of checked my spelling, shopping not ahoppong (no idea what that is)
Oct. 27, 2012 7:16 pm
I think Black Friday has disturbed Candice's PMA.
Oct. 28, 2012 7:41 am
LOL! Mike, I'm ok. But, you're right. My "mental attitude" DOES get messed up just thinking about shopping. Please don't make me go, Puh-leeeeeese! I'd much rather be outside or in the kitchen.
Oct. 28, 2012 8:40 am
Good morning DeniseY - it is sad that people would choose to spend their Thanksgiving in line outside a store rather in line at the table waiting for an extra helping of stuffing. Have a great day.
Oct. 28, 2012 11:23 am
NO DEAL here! I avoid the mall like a plague on any "normal" day, I certainly won't be found there on Black Friday. Every year it seems we are being pushed earlier and earlier, and it's gotten to the point that many people don't even get a Thanksgiving before they have to rush off to work retail. My protest to that is to avoid all Black Friday madness. We don't have a whole turkey, but I do always order a fresh turkey breast for T-giving, so I Respect the Bird, too! : )
Oct. 28, 2012 12:16 pm
good afternoon wisweetp - I hear you loud & clear. Respect The Bird !
Oct. 29, 2012 10:41 am
Hi Doug :) I was just thinking about Thanksgiving and the Christmas Shopping madness the other day. I was in line at the store and they have those box displays set up. 4 were for Halloween, makes sense, 5 were for Christmas, ack!, and 1 just 1 lonely sad and sparse display was for Thanksgiving :( I admit that I have on occasion gone out for the Black Friday sales. My DD's birthday is shortly after Thanksgiving so it helps. But I've found that most anything I want will still be there at 10 am. So I don't have to go at midnight. Of course I live in a small town so that probably has something to do with it. I'll take Thanksgiving over Black Friday though! And I can't stand that some stores are open on Thanksgiving now. Just sad. Ok maybe I don't mind so much when the drug store is open when I realize I'm short on butter :/
Oct. 29, 2012 2:48 pm
I guess I'm in a major minority here (is that an oxymoron?), because I LOVE Black Friday. I've gone every year for the past several years and I really do enjoy it. The thing is, you have to go with the mindset that you get whatever you manage to get and it's not the end of the world if you don't get everything on your list. In fact, I RARELY get everything on my list, but I still have fun. I do have to say, I've only ever done the WalMart Black Friday events and the stores I've gone to have handled the event very well. They allow shoppers to remain inside the store prior to the event's start time (usually midnight) and they have spots where people who want the big-ticket items can stand in line for those things. Honestly, I believe I've gotten some pretty great deals at Black Friday: A laptop for $200 that's still going strong almost three years later, popular DVD movies for $2-3, Wii games for $4-5, 2-quart crock pots and mini food processors for $2.97, and a 5-quart crock pot for $9.97 are just a few examples. I've also gotten some pretty great deals on clothing. I guess I've been pretty lucky in that everyone has seemed to be courteous and hasn't tried to trample each other, but that's probably because the store doesn't make people wait outside until the sale starts. I've only seen one tussle and it wasn't even that dramatic. It had to do with someone wanting some popular video game system that was going for an outrageously low price and they didn't get there early enough to get in line for it. They got very irate when they didn't get one, but the local sheriffs deputies escorted them out of the store while the rest of the patrons applauded :)
Oct. 29, 2012 3:35 pm
I can completely relate with whatariessweetie says. I worked in retail for way too long to enjoy Black Friday. No discount is worth that. I do not shop that weekend, ever. No mall, no grocery store, no 7-11. I do not leave my house. Working in retail completely destroys your enjoyment of buying Christmas presents during the season. So, I do my shopping now. I've got just a few more gifts to purchase and I am done! See, no need to disrespect the bird!
Oct. 29, 2012 6:18 pm
Put me down with those who've worked retail and aren't into holiday shopping madness. I only worked in retail for 6 years--and at a time when the stores actually CLOSED for Thanksgiving--but it still took a long time to get any enjoyment out of holiday shopping again. I would be quite happy if stores were still closed for Thanksgiving and didn't open again until 6 a.m. (at the earliest--but 8 a.m. sounds more reasonable) the day after.
Oct. 30, 2012 6:11 am
No Deal, No Way, EVER. I hate shopping.
Oct. 30, 2012 6:51 am
Amen, Doug. Why would I want to drive all the way to town only to find that what I wanted is sold out getting a set of sore ribs from pointy elbows in the process. Shop online! Always get what you want, sometimes even on sale, no shipping, no tax, no wasted trip to town!
Oct. 30, 2012 7:03 am
Well, no shipping if you play your cards right! I also like Walmart's Site to Store shopping, just pick up my stuff while on our weekly grocery run. Still trying to switch to every other week grocery trips, just can't get it down :P
Oct. 30, 2012 8:58 pm
Ummm, zmvbbjkfsa, please. Stop polluting the forum. Doug & AR peeps, i was new to BF until last year. I ventured out to Wal Mart and... my goodness! Lines of angry people, yellow tape, guards with batons! I arrived at 12am, found parking at 12:45 and left less than 30 seconds after arrival! Again, minutes with the fam, minutes with the bird, even minutes I spend connecting with AR peeps are worth far more than the savings I could glean from going.
Oct. 31, 2012 6:40 am
Totally unrelated to Black Friday....we are all worried about you, Doug, and anxious to hear that you and your family are safe from Sandy. Are you OK???
Oct. 31, 2012 11:23 am
Good afternoon. Hurricane Sandy hit like wallop. We have no power, no water & no cell service. I am actually sitting in my car 2 towns away just to charge my phone & check emails. As soon as I can, I promise to answer everyone. Thanks for checking in !
Oct. 31, 2012 11:52 am
Take care and hope you're back to normal soon!
Oct. 31, 2012 5:45 pm
Good to hear from you! Write us a blog! Any advice for people going through long term power outages, etc? Keep nagging my DH to get a generator...
Oct. 31, 2012 5:46 pm
no deal! I want to sleep in and relax! And there better be more than 3 sides on my plate, lol!
Nov. 1, 2012 6:23 am
I don’t mean any disrespect to those who partake of the ‘incredible, price-slashing, blow out deals’ to be found on Black Friday, but to me…it’s often a disgusting display of greed and selfishness. Every year there are stories and photos of fights breaking out, worthy of the Jerry Springer show. There are videos of folks getting pushed and shoved, punched, or even worse…trampled to death, all for the almighty dollar. As a nurse, I work every other Thanksgiving (the day before and the day after), so when I do have Thanksgiving off, it is very special to me and I’m thankful to be home with my family with no thoughts of where I’m supposed to be or should be (as I’m told by the TV ads) as soon as the stores open up that night! Many of my neighbors, and coworkers do an annual Black Friday shop, waiting in lines and doing battle; and guess what? Most are buying stuff for themselves, freely admitted! Expensive purses, sunglasses, electronics…this has nothing to do with Thanksgiving or Christmas for that matter! So for me, Black Friday…NO DEAL!
J. Dub 
Nov. 1, 2012 11:31 am
I enjoy going out on Black Friday after lunchtime. 1-2 is a great time to head out. I find some good deals and nobody's pushing me out of the way for "The Next Best Thing!" All of the crazy people are gone by that time. I find it's actually nice to shop by the afternoon. You were on fire with this one, Doug. Made me laugh out loud.
Nov. 6, 2012 8:52 am
No Deal, Doug. I hate shopping at any time of year, much less with an angry mob. And, I was completely shocked when some of my in-laws spent hours searching for bargains online directly after Thanksgiving dinner. I was even more surprised when I realized these bargain hunters were shopping for.....THEMSELVES!! Yes, the items they bought were not even for giving to other people. I will admit that Black Friday for my husband and I is a nice, QUIET day spent getting a Christmas tree, decorating for Christmas, and drinking hot chocolate with a Christmas movie. NO malls!
Nov. 12, 2012 5:06 am
Now that is back up & running, it's time for me to try and tackle some of these comments. Thanks to everyone for commenting and 13 days of no power has not softened my stance at all - though the mall was warm & had working toilets. Respect The Bird !!!
Nov. 13, 2012 4:36 am
One of my boys works for Target. He was not allowed to take Friday off. He is pretty peeved about it as it is our traditional Soup Day, as I mentioned earlier. He is getting his first taste of corporate greed -vs- family traditions. I am thankful that he does not have to work Thanksgiving evening! I find it extremely sad that businesses are so desperate for our money that they are robbing their employees of their holiday. If my son did not HAVE to work on Friday there is no way any of us would be near a store for ANY sale. The very best message I can send is to continue with my absence from these businesses.
Nov. 13, 2012 4:36 am
Nov. 13, 2012 6:13 am
Hi Rae - we all appreciate the convenience stores & quikimarts that are open on Thanksgiving but there is no reason for stores to open at 8pm on Turkey Day. No Respect I Tell You. No Respect. And I don't begrudge people shopping on Black Friday - I just don't see the need for the madeness associated with it. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:17 am
Hi Keri and with deals like those, I can certainly see why you would want to hit Black Friday. I need to google maps where in CA you are because I can guarantee you that the Walmarts in my area won't let people in early to stay warm and they won't be courteous. I imagine it is lot like the Running of Bulls in Pamplona. Good luck this Thanksgiving - will you get to Walmart at 8pm ? Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:35 am
Good morning mamaby and I can understand your position completely. It's very easy to avoid Black Friday with all the friends, food & football the holiday offers. Have a great Thanksgiving.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:38 am
Hi Nutmeg~n~Pepper and thanks for stopping by. It seems to be a running thread for those who once worked retail. Like I said earlier, I don't mind Black Friday, I just dom't think it needs to start on Thanksgiving. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:39 am
Hi LadySparkle. Got it. Agree. Have a great holiday !
Nov. 13, 2012 6:41 am
hi joan - the internet certainly has made Black Friday cheaper though it seems that Cyber Monday is the better day to hold out for the online deals. I am an Amazon Prime member myself - 2 day shipping for $80 a year no matter how much you order. That works BIG TIME for me. Have a great holiday and thanks for checking in on us during the outage. I'm thinking about that blog in my spare time.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:45 am
Hi hough747 - I guess everyone needs to experience BF for themselves at some time or another. Glad you survived it. Glad you also found AR - it's great place year round but even better at this time of the year.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:47 am
hi *~Lissa~* - so which sides are on your plate ? I have stuffing & gravy, sweet potatoes, cranberry salad, pearl onions and whipped butternut squash. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:49 am
Good morning Wyattdogster - I think the media loves to show the brawls on the news because it makes for "Good" television. I am sure there are stores where people are civilized but we will never see examples of those on TV. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:51 am
Morning J. Dub and thanks - I always have fun with this topic. It's something I really feel passionate about. And I will say, I bet afternoon Black Friday shopping probably isn't too bad. All the early birds have gone home to finally sleep. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:55 am
Hi Jacolyn - I have to admit, I won't allow Christmas into the house until December 1 but it does sound like you have a nice tradition at your home. The selfishness of the season does turn me off - the deals I get on Cyber Monday are always for others. I can get myself stuff any other time. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 6:57 am
Hi What's for dinner, mom? and I am very sorry that your son has to work. I made sure to sign the petition. Thanks for posting the link. Have a great holiday.
Nov. 13, 2012 7:43 am
Awesome, Doug! Thank you!
Nov. 13, 2012 7:47 am
I proudly admit that I respect the veteran before I respect the bird.
Nov. 13, 2012 8:25 am
Good morning BD - I come from a military family so we always respect the vets. Have a great holiday.
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My mother decided early on that her sons would never have to rely on someone to feed them so we all learned to cook at an early age. I really started to branch out when I moved out west to Denver, SF & Dallas. Combine that with extended business travel to Louisiana & my growing love of spices and you get a real mix of flavors.
My favorite things to cook
Love to make cajun food with my favorites being crawfish pie, alligator stew & alligator chili - I go nuts on Super Bowl Sunday
My favorite family cooking traditions
We didn't have a lot of traditions per se but you could count on pancakes or waffles on sundays - dad making scrambled eggs twice a year on christmas morning & mother's day - veal parmagiana on christmas eve, Thanksgiving with Grandma Matthews and any menu of your choice on your birthday. We weren't a spicy family so I learned a lot of good strong basics in the kitchen from Mom that I have carried over into my cooking today.
My cooking triumphs
I love to experiment with variations of dishes I try around the country. My biggest success is here on allrecipes where I had 2 recipes published in the same cookbook - Southwestern Turkey Soup & Curried Carrot Soup. I think my corn muffins are a great starting point and my alligator chili has become a much requested Super Bowl favorite.
My cooking tragedies
There have been a few times in the past where I tossed everything and took everyone to a restaurant instead. I'm not too proud to say my cooking is awful when it really is.
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