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Pie Troubleshooting Guide

By:   Allrecipes Staff

Unworkable dough? Soggy crust? Learn how to prevent common pie problems.

  • The dough cracks when I try to roll it

The dough is either too dry or too cold. If it seems to be crumbling apart, work a few sprinkles of water into it--a squeeze bottle works well--but try to handle it as little as possible. If it merely cracks at the edges when you run the rolling pin over it, it probably just needs to warm up a little. Allow it to sit on the counter for a few minutes, but don't let it get too warm, or the layers of fat will melt together and your crust will not be flaky.

  • The dough sticks to the rolling pin

Chill the dough before trying to roll it out. Lightly flour the countertop and the flattened ball of dough. Keep dusting the pastry lightly on both sides as you roll. You don't want to work in more flour, but you can always brush off excess from the dough.  Pastry cloths and rolling pin covers are also available. These are made from thin machine-washable cotton, and they will help prevent sticking dough; be sure to lightly flour the cloth and the cover before using them. You can also roll the dough out between sheets of waxed paper.

  • The crust doesn't brown on the bottom

Cover the edges of the crust with aluminum foil, and place the pie on the bottom oven rack. Begin baking at a relatively high temperature (425 to 450 degrees F/220 to 230 degrees C), then reduce it after 20 minutes or so. The initial high temperature will help the crust to brown, and reducing the temperature will allow the filling to cook thoroughly before the crust burns. Even better: invest in a baking stone. Bake the pie--on a baking sheet to prevent spills--directly on the hot stone.

  • My crust is soggy

Brush the bottom crust with beaten egg white or heated jelly before pouring in your filling. Or try partially or fully baking crust before adding the filling. Partially baking the bottom crust can be a challenge if you're making a double-crust pie, but it can be done--you just won't get a good seal between the top and bottom crusts.

  • The crust is too pale

Increase the oven temperature. You can also brush the top crust with beaten egg or milk for a golden, glossy appearance. If your crust recipe contains vinegar or lemon juice, this could be the culprit as well: these ingredients are used to make the crust tender, but they can also inhibit browning. Counteract it by adding about a teaspoon of sugar and a pinch of salt to your flour before mixing in the fat.

  • I pre-baked my pie crust, and it came out shrunken, puffy, and misshapen

Allow the dough to rest in the refrigerator both before and after rolling it out. Also be sure that you never pull or stretch the dough when fitting it into the pan. Use a fork to poke the crust in several places to allow steam to escape without forcing the crust to puff up. If you're baking a custard pie where the filling is baked in the crust (as opposed to a cream pie, where the filling is cooked on the stovetop then poured into a pre-baked crust) holes in the crust allow the custard to seep through the holes. (You can save extra dough when rolling out the crust and use it to patch cracks and holes.)

  • My pumpkin pie cracked in the center

Custard pies--including pecan pies--need delicate handling. A too-hot oven or over-baking are the most common causes for cracking. Don't let the filling puff up or "soufflé," and don't bake the pie so long that the filling is completely set in the center. See Pumpkin Pies and Custard Pies  for more tips.

  • My fruit pie is runny

One way to ensure your filling is thick enough is to pre-cook it. Take half to two-thirds of the fruit-sugar-starch mixture, and bring it to a boil. Simmer the filling for at least one minute for cornstarch or tapioca, and three minutes for flour-thickened pies. Remove from heat, and stir in the remaining raw fruit. This gives you a thicker filling that still contains chunks of uncooked fruit for texture.

Also, be sure the pie has cooled completely before you slice it--the filling needs time to set properly.

Comments
Jul. 10, 2009 6:47 am
My meringue gets weepy with brown water droplets on top and after first servings and pie is refrigerated overnight, there is a lot of clear liquid in the pie plate making crust soggy and the remainder of the pie inedible!
 
Jul. 19, 2009 5:20 am
southern gma, that has happened to me too and its very depressing! im not sure ALL the tips to prevent this but I am pretty sure you need to put the meringue on while the filling is still hot, and "seal" the edge... so usually i plop the meringue around the edges in a circle, and then plop the rest in the middle. then i spread it around, and use the spatula around the edges so the meringue is directly touching the crust. perhaps the best way to visualize this is to imagine you are going to "trap" the filling, or "suffocate" it by making sure there is enough meringue to cover all the edges so no air gets in. maybe someone else will have a better explaination.. good luck!
 
Tammy 
Jul. 22, 2009 2:38 pm
I NEED HELP!!! WHEN MAKING MY HOMEMADE CRUST IT COMES OUT TO HARD TO CUT OR CHEW!! PLZ HELP WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??
 
uncle bud 
Jul. 24, 2009 10:38 am
by putting a beaten egg in your pie filling your pies wont run anymore and you will not tast the egg
 
Jul. 25, 2009 10:08 am
Tammy, I use the pie crust on the side of the Crisco can. I have never had any problem with that one and it is delicious!
 
Jul. 25, 2009 10:13 am
Valerie, I think maybe you are not incorporating your sugar into your egg whites well enough. Try beating sugar and eggs a little more. Hope that helps, I used to have the same trouble.
 
sarah.williams 
Aug. 4, 2009 3:26 pm
Tammy, I did this once too, I think it is a combination of too much water/ liquid and to much handling which turns it more in to paper mache than a flaky pie curst. Try ice water next time. And less kneeding.
 
lori from Connecticut 
Sep. 4, 2009 10:47 am
I had this problem years ago until I found that if i whip it for a really good length of time,(to me..i don't worry about overbeating it) it doesn't weep. Gotta make sure that sugar is incorporated really good. So far, this works for me.
 
Mary Ellen 
Sep. 5, 2009 2:25 pm
When I make a two crust pie, such as an apple pie, the top crust stays high as the apples cook down. Then there is too much space between the apples and the crust. How do you prevent this?
 
Gemma 
Sep. 6, 2009 8:15 am
Every time I make pie crust, it is too flaky to handle--I have flour and dough everywhere! The ratio of 2 cups of flour to 3/4 cup of shortening doe not work--I'm thinking I may need to increase the shortening--to much water makes a tough crust.
 
BABS 
Sep. 9, 2009 1:15 pm
How do you keep apple filling and top crust from separating. The top crust stays domed and the filling shrinks away from it.
 
Sep. 22, 2009 7:26 am
You need to make adequate vents (slits) in the top of the crust, so it can settle down as the pie cools. Also, use a variety of apple meant for baking, like Paula Red. Some apples, like gold delicious, shrink and get mushy after baking. As for the meringue, I found the weeping only happens with time. Bake your pie the day you plan to serve it, or the day before at earliest. The other tips are good too.
 
CheryB 
Sep. 24, 2009 5:41 am
My pie crusts always tear apart on me when trying to put it in the pan. It does this no matter what I try to do! And my crusts are not flaky! The crust starts tearing while I am rolling it and it sticks to my counter even when I flour it! I would love to know how to make a really good pie crust! HELP!!
 
jonie 
Sep. 26, 2009 11:34 pm
the best pie crust making tip i ever received was to roll out your dough on waxed paper lightly coated with flour and then you just flip it over into your pie pan works great
 
cozyk 
Oct. 10, 2009 7:42 am
After having even a 12 year old complain about my pie crusts I have given up!!!I can make great crusts if I use lard but have started eating kosher and now they are nasty.Hey I make great cakes still. LOL
 
Oct. 13, 2009 12:00 pm
I made a beautiful apple pie, heaping with apples. It looked great when I took it out of the oven, like it was still heaping high above the edge of the pie plate. When I cut into it, it was all a farce! the apples had cooked down and there was a great gaping airspace between the apples and crust. What did I do wrong?
 
Annah 
Oct. 15, 2009 12:31 pm
I planned on making an Apple Pie from scratch today and had forgotten I always have that dome effect too. How can that be avoided? Several asked, but no answers were given.
 
Oct. 15, 2009 6:46 pm
you people are awesome.I am all new at this stuff and your tips make me look like a pro from the start. Thanks to all who give there input!!!
 
Oct. 17, 2009 6:15 pm
The best tip I've ever tried and now use all the time for flaky, tender, easy to roll and shape pie crusts is to add approxiately 1/3 cup of vodka to the water portion of your dough recipe and make sure this liquid mixture is very very cold, the vodka moisture bakes away leaving absolutely no taste, and inhibits the gluten formed by combining the flour and water. You can easily roll this dough out because you are using more liquid than just the water. You can roll and re-roll and it never gets tough or cracks, or shrinks or any of the usual problems encountered in making and rolling pie crusts. The recipe was found in a Cook's Illustrated book and its worked every time for me, really....no taste of vodka at all. Its online too at Cooks Illustrated, although I do love this site!
 
Oct. 19, 2009 4:16 pm
There are so many people (including me) who are intimidated at the thought of making a pie crust,but with all your great tips we all can achieve the perfect crust! I love this website!
 
monkeycakz 
Oct. 23, 2009 7:51 pm
For those with pie crust issues.The recipe that I use is the butter flaky pie crust on here. I learned you need to freeze the butter and use a cheese grater to grate the butter into the flour.(thank u alton brown)than just use your hands. i have no issues with over or underworking the dough. Also I use ice cold apple cider instead of water and the crust is always good. But only use as much as needed to bring the dough together than ball up, wrap in plastic wrap and put in fridge at least 20 mins. though 30-40 is better. I avoid the dome effect with apple pie by using a lattice top. works always and looks like grandmas.
 
Oct. 23, 2009 11:20 pm
WOW! HOW CAN i GO WRONG WITH ALL THE TIPS ON MAKING PIES AND CRUSTS.using vodka? who'd of thought? Sometimes even with wonderful tips I can still manage to screw it up sometimes!!
 
Oct. 24, 2009 3:46 am
maryellen & babs, to keep the top crust from domeing, you should cut more vents into it. I always make four leave veins, and dot the top!
 
Bette 
Oct. 24, 2009 10:27 am
My mother-in-law taught me to vent my top pie crust by making a large tree with the trunk, branches and little grass vents at the bottom. This will stop the large dome from forming and is very pretty. I also sprinkle sugar on top.
 
kimmie16 
Oct. 24, 2009 2:38 pm
To keep crust edges from burning or becoming done before the pie simply wrap them in foil; make sure foil does not touch filling. Also, for a flaky crust use ice water.
 
Nov. 4, 2009 1:52 pm
Re: domed apple pie crusts, I've found when I precook the apples (cut in smaller slices, some in 'chunks' in a skillet over low heat with the sugar and spices for about 10 minutes, it allows them to compress a litle so when you top the pie with your crust the top crust doesn't "set' so high and will set on top of the filling more closely while it finishes baking. And the venting of the crust is crucial too. Hope this helps, good luck. Also, I've experimented with using a variety of apples, as stated before, for flavor and texture and it seems to work for me.
 
pegjk 
Nov. 10, 2009 6:25 pm
Need advice.. my crusts taste great but they never retain their crimped shape during baking. The crust just sort of melts over the edge of the pan! I make the dough (combination crisco/butter), shape into a ball and let rest in the fridge for 30 minutes (using instructions in The Pie Bible). Still the same problem... any ideas?
 
mommaduke 
Nov. 11, 2009 5:22 am
I need advice on making really creamie topping for coconut cream pie. I don't care much for the egg white marange. Is this done with heavy whipping cream ? If so, How ?
 
Dawn 
Nov. 12, 2009 4:15 pm
Tammy, I had a terrible time making pie crust. Years ago I worked in a nursing home and a 93 year old lady said dear I have the perfect recipe for you. You will never mess it up. You can add as much flour to it as you want and it will always turn out great. I would like to pass it on because she was ohhh so right. 1/2 lb lard cut up in pieces, 1 tblsp white vinegar, 1 tblsp salt, 1/2 c milk, 2 1/4 flour. Use hands to mix w/out rings. If too wet sprinkle with flour roll out and wallah. Perfect every time. Good luck
 
Nov. 14, 2009 2:56 pm
When I cut my apple pies (2 crust) the crust either sticks to the pie plate or the edges of the crust break. I always bake in a glass pie plate and cover the edges of the crust while baking. What do I need to do to get nice pretty slices?
 
Lorie 
Nov. 14, 2009 7:02 pm
Why is my pecan pie runny??? I do exactly what the recipe says and every time its runny.... :( Please help me..
 
MommaT 
Nov. 16, 2009 7:30 am
Mommaduke, I use fresh whipped cream on my coconut cream pie. Whip 1/2 cup heavy cream with 1tbs granulated or powdered sugar on high speed until stiff. I put my mixing bowl in a slightly larger one half filled with ice. The colder the cream the better it whips up. I flavor mine by whipping in 1 tsp of vanilla at the end. Other flavors can be used like 1/2 tsp ground cinnamon, ginger, or nutmeg. When using stronger flavors and extracts use 1/4 to 1/2 tsp to taste. Its fun to customize your whipped cream to compliment the dessert you are preparing. I hope this helps.
 
Nov. 19, 2009 6:21 am
For apple pies I always pre-cook my filling just a bit (5 minutes tops) and add the cornstarch, let it cool completely and then put into the chilled pie crust,my pies never come out runny and my crust doesn't go soggy either. I make 20 pies at a time and this is the easiest way I have found to do it. As for flaky pastry; 1/3 of each into it: lard,shortening and unsalted butter; grate it in (frozen first) or use a pastry blender and cut it in then take the flour,fat salt, mixture and keep it chilled in the fridge; when ready to bake pies add 1/3 tsp.vinegar with 1 beaten egg and ice water ( I keep a half filled container of water in the freezer and when ready to bake 1 fill it to the top;wait 1 minute and then it is cold for my pastry) then put the 1/2 filled container with the water back in the freezer for the next time you bake. It saves time and I always have ice water on hand for baking. Never overwork it with your hands; I use a metal spoon to fold it together and then put just enough of what you are using on your floured counter. I bake mine at 375 degrees on the middle rack. I hope this helps everyone.....
 
Nov. 19, 2009 6:30 am
add a bit of cornstarch when you mix your eggs /sugar and corn syrup together for the pecan pie; always cool your toasted pecan first before adding to the shell before baking. If it still happens add 1 additional egg white to it and this should prevent the situation.
 
Nov. 19, 2009 6:34 am
I think if I used vodka in my pie baking I would never leave the kitchen and no pies would get done either; lol
 
sewsal 
Nov. 19, 2009 3:50 pm
Everyone says I make good pies. The biggest trick I know is to wipe your counter top with a damp cloth then lay a piece of plastic wrap on the damp counter top and smooth it down. Put your pie crust in the middle and cover it with another sheet of plastic wrap and roll out. peel the top plastic wrap off and invert crust into pie plate and peel bottom plastic wrap off. Never nead or handle dough any more than you have to . It makes the crust tough. The easest crust I have ever made and the best is 3/4 cup+ 1 tablespoon shortening, like crisco, 1/4 cup boiling water ,1 tablespoon milk, 1 teaspoon salt, 2 1/4 cups flour. Measure shortening into bowl and add boiling water. stir mixing up. Add milk stir. add flour and salt and stir into ball. Gather in a ball and cut in two pieces. Roll is directed above. Can be refrigerated or frozen.
 
T Shaw 
Nov. 19, 2009 10:55 pm
Can I use already baked sweet potatoes, for sweet potatoe pie, instead of boiling them from raw??
 
love2beach 
Nov. 20, 2009 5:54 pm
The plastic wrap trick is a life saver. I plan on baking lots & lots of pies now that I have tried it. Wax paper works as well but not as well as plastic wrap. @ T Shaw ~ I don't see why not. Pumpkin for pie can be baked, boiled or steamed so I'd say yes.
 
Nov. 21, 2009 7:03 pm
Re:Runny pecan pie, you may actually be cooking it too long. I learned the hardway that after a pecan pie sets up in the oven it can become runny again because the temperature gets too hot. What worked for me is I tried cooking less time and maybe even 5 degrees cooler oven. Hope it helps.
 
Nov. 22, 2009 11:52 am
The trick that I've found most useful is using waxed paper to roll out and transfer the pie dough. My son bought a silicone baking sheet for me and I find that it is great to lay on the countertop when working bread dough or pie crust, it helps to keep me from adding too much flour or overworking(aka struggling) with dough sticking to the counter. I will try the plastic wrap idea next time...i'll try the vodka too...maybe even for pie.
 
baking lady 
Nov. 23, 2009 11:36 am
I'd like some help on soggy crusts in pumpkin pies. I'm going to try brushing with egg white and letting it dry or putting in oven 5 minutes or so. I use 10" glass pie plates so have problems with rim crust being too brown by time the pumpkin is set. I'm bringing this to the in-laws for first time on Thanksgiving Day. Help!
 
baking lady 
Nov. 23, 2009 11:37 am
Woops, forgot to say I do have the rim protectors just not sure they will fit the 10 inch. Thanks
 
Susan 
Nov. 23, 2009 6:03 pm
When I make custard pie, after is sits for just a little while the crust gets soggy, any suggestions?
 
KelliCooks 
Nov. 24, 2009 7:20 am
Mary Ellen - partially precook your apple filling, then put it into the crust. That prevents the huge change in height in an apple pie.
 
Nov. 25, 2009 7:24 am
Can I substitute half and half or cream for evaporated milk in a pumpkin pie recipe?
 
T M Anderson 
Nov. 25, 2009 11:07 am
I'm so frustrated! We bought a new oven 3 years ago and it baked PERFECTLY. Now, all my baked goods are burning. This morning I baked a pecan pie and the crust was burnt before the filling was even set. On the second pie I tried to add foil around the crust that was showing. It ended up tearing the crust off. Now I have two ruined pies for Thanksgiving :( What on earth do you do when your oven burns everything?
 
Patty Nance 
Nov. 25, 2009 1:15 pm
I HAVE HAD THE "SOFT OR SOGGY BOTTOM" PIE CRUST TOO, I CAN'T SEEM TO GET MY "BOTTOM" TO BE CRISPY EITHER...MY MOTHERS WAS SOOOO GOOD BUT CAN'T SEEM TO DUPLICATE IT EITHER AND MY MOTHER IS MAKING HER PIES FOR THE ANGELS NOW.....SO CAN'T ASK HER FOR "LESSONS" IT IS ONLY ON TWO CRUST PIES OR FRUIT PIES....APPLE PIE ESPECIALLY...IT IS ALWAYS SOGGY, NEVER FLAKY LIKE MOMS...I AM USING GLASS PANS...HELP!! THANKS IN ADVANCE....
 
marstan 
Nov. 26, 2009 8:40 am
How do I keep the sides of my gingersnap crust from shrinking when I bake it?
 
bswholey 
Dec. 3, 2009 9:29 am
I make great pecan pies but my bottom crust keeps sticking to the pie plate (10" glass pie plate) I have tried using extra flour on the bottom of crust or even on both sides of crusts. Its like the rich sugary filling leaks through the crust on the bottom. Does anyone think putting the pie on the bottom shelf of the oven would help or coating with an egg white? Any ideas? I bake pecan pie for Thanksgiving and Christmas family get togethers and I don't want it to happen again on my Christmas pie.
 
Dec. 8, 2009 4:37 am
For the soggy-bottom-crusted fruit pies--it was suggested in this site's tips that you bake the pie on a baking stone to make the bottom crust turn out crisp.
 
Diana 
Dec. 8, 2009 11:10 am
Can I make the pie crust the day before and leave it in the refrigerator?
 
Dec. 9, 2009 7:30 pm
The BEST apple pie recipe I have found is on the link below....This pie was the first homemade pie I have ever made and WOW was it GREAT! The crust was to die for and so was the filling, I use two of 3 different types of apples to make a total of 6. Good Luck! http://www.wikihow.com/Bake-an-Apple-Pie-from-Scratch
 
Louise 
Dec. 10, 2009 11:15 am
Roll the pie crust between saran wrap. Take off the top saran, turn the piecrust & remaining saran upside down onto piepan. Carefully remove the saran and press the crust into the piepan. This should prevent crust from breaking.
 
TexasRagu 
Dec. 10, 2009 1:58 pm
To TM Anderson, You need to recalibrate your oven. It is cooking too hot. I have a digital oven themometer (bed,bath and beyond), my oven did the same thing so I recalibrated it. Set your oven to 350 and let it pre-heat, then take the temp. If it is at 375 you will need to set your oven to 325 for a 350 recipe. Or you can take the oven dial off and work with it until it is set to the correct temp. You might have to do this several times to get it right.
 
queen 
Dec. 14, 2009 5:13 pm
For everyone having troubles with apple pie shrinkage, well the trick i learned is that i would peel and cut all my apples(any kind) and add them in a bowl with lemon juice, brown sugar, flour and cinnamon and then i leave it sit in the fridge for an hour or so. It causes it to shrink down in size so when u fill ur pies and cook them they will be nice and full. I found this out while making a pie one time and then did not feel like making it so i let it sit for quite some time before i was like oh i better make the pie and it worked so i do it that way all the time and my pies stay nice and full. Hope this helps. U can also fill the pie up with some homemade apple sauce too to keep it full. Good luck.
 
Dec. 21, 2009 5:03 pm
How many days can I keep my pie crust in the fridge?
 
Dec. 21, 2009 5:04 pm
That is unbaked pie crust.....
 
Dec. 23, 2009 7:41 am
Wow, lots of great tips here, thanks everyone! Any tips on blind-baking pie crusts? I tried one last week and it got mis-shapen and droopy. It tasted amazing though!
 
Dec. 24, 2009 9:55 am
So many questions.... Meringue- preparing 1/2 cup water mixed with 2T of sugar and 2T of corn starch and cooking it, cooling it and adding it to the beaten egg whites in lieu of just sugar will prevent weeping and be undetectable in the finished pie. The corn starch absorbs excess moisture as it bakes. Alternatively, mixing your egg whites with marshmallow cream makes a fantastic meringue as well. (No added sugar needed) 3 egg whites to 1/2 container of marshmallow cream. The gelatin in the marshmallow cream stabilizes the meringue! Perfect every time! Blind baking pie crusts- Use dried beans to fill the pie crust before baking. They will hold the dough in place until it sets and bakes. Keep them to use each time. They also make ceramic beads that can be used, sold at gourmet cookware stores or web sites, but beans are cheaper! http://www.pastrychef.com/CERAMIC-PIE-WEIGHTS_p_838.html Hope this helps!
 
Dec. 24, 2009 10:04 am
Oh yeah... one more thing.. My mother used to always bake her single crust pie shells upside down between two pie tins. Be sure to prick the pie crust thoroughly with a fork to prevent bubbling and puffing. She always put her filling in HOT as soon as they came out of the oven because she said using cold filling was what caused egg whites to weep and not cook thoroughly and the filling to soak into the crust as it reheated. She always baked wonderful pies, vanilla cream & lemon meringue being my favorites!
 
Carole the Cook 
Dec. 24, 2009 1:16 pm
I have been making lemon meringue pies for over 40 years (occasionally) and I have never had a meringue failure before. I had the whites at room temperature and everything was clean. I have tried to form peaks in the meringue three times. I have wasted 12 egg whites trying to get peaks. Is the kitchen too hot or could it be the weather? I'm frustrated. Thanks for any ideas.
 
Carole the Cook 
Dec. 24, 2009 3:00 pm
Never mind. I changed mixers and that did the trick.
 
Feb. 3, 2010 10:16 pm
egg whites should be room temperature before they are beaten. when making a lemon pie, some times I like to fold the meringue into the hot lemon and fold together, pour into baked pie shell, makes a nice lemon chiffon pie.
 
 
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